What the fuck is Consciousness?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Adrian colby said:

Consciousness is the other side of awareness that knows things. Con ‘with’ science ‘knowing’. It forms itself within awareness. Awareness is the ‘nothing’ within which all consciousness ‘something’ takes place. 
awareness is the absolute and consciousness is god, The mind that formed itself within its own awareness. 

That's a nice explanation.   But notice all explanations must be held within your consciousness. 

[Breakingthewall]

Consciousness is a misleading concept, it suggests that there is an act of perception of something else, being aware of, and with it, a subject that is conscious. I think this is wrong, things are not like that. reality is the existence that manifests now. This existence takes the form of a perceiver, a center, which is the recipient of experience: the self. what we all perceive as our center. That center only exists because in the experience there is apparent duality, if the duality collapses there is no center, and when the center disappears the idea of consciousness disappears. reality remains, which is, without anything external to perceive it. being=perception=creation=understanding.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Consciousness is a misleading concept, it suggests that there is an act of perception of something else, being aware of, and with it, a subject that is conscious. I think this is wrong, things are not like that. reality is the existence that manifests now. This existence takes the form of a perceiver, a center, which is the recipient of experience: the self. what we all perceive as our center. That center only exists because in the experience there is apparent duality, if the duality collapses there is no center, and when the center disappears the idea of consciousness disappears. reality remains, which is, without anything external to perceive it. being=perception=creation=understanding.

You will never understand or grasp reality this way.  Reality is a giant mind.   That's indeed what it is.  It is self aware.  Awareness is paramount to grasping yourself if that is indeed your pursuit.  And I know it is.  Because you are here.  Yes there is no perceiver.   And indeed you must cut through that illusion    But you will still be left with Mind.  It cannot be escaped.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

You will never understand or grasp reality this way.  Reality is a giant mind.   That's indeed what it is.  It is self aware.  Awareness is paramount to grasping yourself if that is indeed your pursuit.  And I know it is.  Because you are here.  Yes there is no perceiver.   And indeed you must cut through that illusion    

Yeah I know all that sistem of ideas, it's the Leo's paradigm , if it's useful for anyone and makes the life better, it's great. But I prefer another option: empty my mind completely, open myself completely to what is and be one with it, and then draw conclusions, but conclusions are just a hobby, living reality is openness, and it's not structure. The real thing can't be said, neither though, it's impossible, is another dimension. It's like structured mind is inside the reality, so the structured mind can't formule or grasp the reality. Anyone who think that it's possible if fooling himself

[Javfly33]

no - thing 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah I know all that sistem of ideas, it's the Leo's paradigm , if it's useful for anyone and makes the life better, it's great. But I prefer another option: empty my mind completely, open myself completely to what is and be one with it, and then draw conclusions, but conclusions are just a hobby, living reality is openness, and it's not structure. The real thing can't be said, neither though, it's impossible, is another dimension. It's like structured mind is inside the reality, so the structured mind can't formule or grasp the reality. Anyone who think that it's possible if fooling himself

This has nothing to do with Leo.  Leo is just a figment of your mind.  Of your MIND.  But reality is Mind- it is consciousness itself.  The problem being is that we think it's made of atoms when it's not. 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

no - thing 

But what is no thing.  No thing must exist no?

[ivankiss]

It's not a 'what'. 

It just is (conscious).

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, ivankiss said:

It's not a 'what'. 

It just is (conscious).

It just is.  

[eggopm3]

It's THIS.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

has nothing to do with Leo.  Leo is just a figment of your mind.  Of your MIND.  But reality is Mind- it is consciousness itself.  The problem being is that we think it's made of atoms when it's not. 

So what "mind" means? You have to explain, just say mind doesn't mean nothing

Edited November 4, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

From the Leo's blog 

 

 

You ask, 'How can we know the Infinite?' I answer, not by reason. It is the office of reason to distinguish and define. The Infinite, therefore, cannot be ranked among its objects. You can only apprehend the Infinite by a faculty superior to reason, by entering into a state in which you are your finite self no longer, in which the Divine Essence is communicated to you. This is Ecstasy. It is the liberation of your mind from its finite consciousness."

-- Plotinus 

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So what "mind" means? You have to explain, just say mind doesn't mean nothing

Mind is consciousness.   Try and explain that.  Any explanation you have is held within it.

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

But you assume there is a whatever.   That was assumed.  What creates the whatever part.

You assume there is a difference between you and whatever.

[Applegarden8]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Have we narrowed it down yet?  

Does it have to be anything? Does it have to have meaning? Can it be it's own thing without meaning?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Vibes said:

Mind means literally a Mind. As in: the world is / is inside your Mind. Physical world is actually your Mind. You feel like the 'physical substance' as inside your head, as if you have a giant head.

Precisely.   That is exactly it.  You must break away from the materialist paradigm. The materialist paradigm is like an infestation of the mind. It is a corruption of the mind.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Applegarden8 said:

Does it have to be anything? Does it have to have meaning? Can it be it's own thing without meaning?

I guess we want to make it so.  We want to explain Consciousness away with logic.  Yet logic is held within Consciousness.   So I guess we are screwed.   We can pawn it off as alien and all that - but ultimately we have to come back to what it is.

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Mind means literally a Mind. As in: the world is / is inside your Mind. Physical world is actually your Mind. You feel like the 'physical substance' is inside your head, as if you have a giant head. The little head is inside your big head.

A mind does not mean anything, besides, a mind implies a thinking subject and that is not the case. It is just a good solution to try to explain reality. To categorically say those things, to pretend to understand infinity and reduce it to a concept, is a mistake in my opinion

The first thing to understand is what the self is and how the appearance of a center is created, and then dissolve it. Once you can do this and look directly at reality without the dual filter of the self, the state changes to a state of mystical ecstasy and in this state begins a type of non-conceptual understanding that cannot be translated into words. Being in this state for a long time is extremely difficult.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

A mind does not mean anything, besides, a mind implies a thinking subject and that is not the case. It is just a good solution to try to explain reality. To categorically say those things, to pretend to understand infinity and reduce it to a concept, is a joke. 

The first thing to understand is what the self is and how the appearance of a center is created, and then dissolve it. Once you can do this and look directly at reality without the dual filter of the self, the state changes to a state of mystical ecstasy and in this state begins a type of non-conceptual understanding that cannot be translated into words. Being in this state for a long time is extremely difficult.

No you are missing it.  This is about the structure of reality.   The mechanism, if you will.  The design.   So - how is reality designed?  Is it made of atoms or is it made of Mind?  Do you see where the distinction is now necessary?  

[Hojo]

the field of the background of reality, it goes into itself to see what it is, ironically what we do, this is our likeness to god

Edited November 4, 2023 by Hojo