I´m freaking done with dating advice, this game can't be won

[something_else]

On 06/11/2023 at 5:57 PM, The0Self said:

John Anthony Lifestyle

This dude is 100% raw and unfiltered cringe in the clips I’ve seen of him.

Especially in the comment section of his videos, he behaves like a man child.

[The0Self]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

This dude is 100% raw and unfiltered cringe in the clips I’ve seen of him.

Especially in the comment section of his videos, he behaves like a man child.

Anyone who doesn’t know game will think what actually is normal and good is cringe if they already follow, for instance, people like Owen Cook.

Before you’re calibrated, you actually won’t know what is cringe to women — you might be right some of the time, but with any level of self doubt you will project self doubt onto your perception of everyone else… So, here’s how it works: when you encounter a person without self doubt, they may seem “off” if you’re assuming they have self doubt when they actually don’t.

But yeah I don’t particularly like John Anthony I’m just saying game recognizes game, and he has it. I feel bad for the men conned into a cult that doesn’t know game but thinks it does, but John Anthony went kind of overboard calling them out, to the point where many of them retaliated with false claims (though eventually John won those suits), and the fact that John was an alcoholic at the time didn’t help. PWF Alex had a falling out with John and they have legal agreements not to talk about each other — they hate each other — and Alex still vouches for John’s game even despite that. So John and Alex are at least 2 stand up guys in the space. John’s character might be worse than Alex’s, idk, but he definitely knows game and anyone who’s good can tell.

Edited November 15, 2023 by The0Self

[something_else]

15 minutes ago, The0Self said:

Anyone who doesn’t know game will think what actually is normal and good is cringe if they already follow, for instance, people like Owen Cook. But yeah I don’t particularly like John Anthony I’m just saying game recognizes game, and he has it. I feel bad for the men conned into a cult that doesn’t know game but thinks it does, but John Anthony went kind of overboard calling them out, to the point where many of them retaliated with false claims, and then John won a lot of law suits. PWF Alex had a falling out with John and they have legal agreements not to talk about each other — they hate each other — and Alex still vouches for John’s game even despite that. So John and Alex are at least 2 stand up guys in the space.

I haven’t even looked at his pickup style content. I saw some videos of him criticising other people and the way he did it (and the fact he even bothered to do it at all) immediately made me think he was an utter tosspot.

The fact there is so much drama surrounding him tells you all you need to know about him. You shouldn’t give attention to people who always find a way to get themselves entangled in shitty drama like that.

[The0Self]

36 minutes ago, something_else said:

I haven’t even looked at his pickup style content. I saw some videos of him criticising other people and the way he did it (and the fact he even bothered to do it at all) immediately made me think he was an utter tosspot.

The fact there is so much drama surrounding him tells you all you need to know about him. You shouldn’t give attention to people who always find a way to get themselves entangled in shitty drama like that.

Unfortunately, he is far closer to understanding perfect game than anyone else I’ve seen, so if someone wants to learn game, they can’t really afford not to learn from him unless they’re inoculated; already aware that almost the entire rest of the space is woefully ignorant.

The guy who attracts chicks also attracts drama? Who knew? When you’re assertive and polarizing and derive your value internally, yeah, you’re going to be rustling some feathers.

Edited November 15, 2023 by The0Self

[The0Self]

@something_else

Just for example, Alex and John are the only guys on that panel with decent game (what little you can tell from an online speed date). And at 2:40:40 John reads a lay report from years ago with that same girl literally present in the chat, and if I recall correctly, that was actually unplanned — that stuff should happen all the time with any legit dating coach.

Edited November 15, 2023 by The0Self

[something_else]

15 hours ago, The0Self said:

Unfortunately, he is far closer to understanding perfect game than anyone else I’ve seen, so if someone wants to learn game, they can’t really afford not to learn from him

I think a lot of PUA teachers are like this. You have you be at least moderately fucked up to set your life goal as having sex with as many women as humanely possible.

That's why I resonate more with teachers like Leo who are more well rounded people and not just laser focused in on having as much sex as possible.

And really, I've found that the best way to up my game was just going out every weekend and talking to as many girls as possible. And also just building up a decent life e.g. make at least decent money, travel, have decent social skills. I didn't really watch any content from teachers other than some of Leo's stuff. Maybe it's the bluepilled sheep in me, but I find almost all PUA content exceptionally hard to watch.

15 hours ago, The0Self said:

The guy who attracts chicks also attracts drama? Who knew? When you’re assertive and polarizing and derive your value internally, yeah, you’re going to be rustling some feathers.

Based on what you said, it seems he deliberately picks fights rather than merely rustling some feathers.

15 hours ago, The0Self said:

And at 2:40:40 John reads a lay report from years ago with that same girl literally present in the chat, and if I recall correctly, that was actually unplanned

I don't know what to say other than that lay report is really cringy.

Edited November 16, 2023 by something_else

[Yimpa]

The reason why you keep failing is because you are expecting something out of a relationship.

You need to realize that your partner is fundamentally a reflection of you. They’re not someone you own or control.

[Miguel1]

On 11/15/2023 at 5:33 PM, The0Self said:

The reason they don’t have hot gfs is because they aren’t able to keep such women — it simply requires skill that they don’t have.

Look, I have been in game MUCH less than Owen. Probably 15 years less, if not 20. I have had plenty of hot gfs, both short-term and long-term. And I am not even a dating coach studying and teaching this full-time.

Here's the thing, not everyone wants to have a girlfriend because it takes A LOT out of you. Case in point, Leo. I'm sure he could get a girlfriend if he wanted to and maybe he does now. But he was single for quite a long time. Why is that? Because he is on a mission and having a girlfriend distracts you a lot with all sorts of nonsense and drama.

Consider this: Owen has a flock of girls (both very good-looking and less good-looking) coming into his life on a consistent basis and wanting to have intimacy and sex with him. He is also on a mission like Leo + I would argue he is much more energetic, healthy, and even ambitious than Leo.

Why would he settle down with a girl and deal with all the nonsense when he is getting sex and intimacy needs met actively without doing so?

Know also, that girls are on their best behavior (AKA no drama and bullshit) during the early stages & honeymoon phase. So you can be on a honeymoon phase with one or multiple girls at once (as long as you don't lead her on to believe you are settling down with her) and once it is over, you drop them. Or if that isn't a very conscious thing to do, don't even get into the honeymoon phase.

Also, consider that perhaps he has burned through his sexual desires so much that it isn't THAT important to him anymore.

Now, what exactly is the need to maintain a hot gf?

Edited November 16, 2023 by Migue Lonas

[Yimpa]

Dating is a journey, not a destination.

[Yimpa]

54 minutes ago, Migue Lonas said:

having a girlfriend distracts you a lot with all sorts of nonsense and drama.

Be careful with stereotyping relationships. Relationships can certainly teach you a lot about yourself, especially when you stop having a rigid idea of what a relationship even is.

[Miguel1]

17 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Be careful with stereotyping relationships.

Be careful avoiding truths by calling them stereotypes. Matter of fact is that, if you don't socialize and live in a cave, you don't get distracted by human drama and pettiness. And relationships tend to bring more of that because it is simply more of it and a deeper layer of that. Obviously, if you are dating extremely conscious people, then maybe not (don't have personal experience and I am also not close to being completely absent of human drama and pettiness), but where are they again?

And even if you find them, don't forget that they have to be attractive to you (and not some 50-60-year-old very mature and conscious person but not attractive physically at all) and have somewhat similar sex drive, otherwise there will be sexual frustration, for example, if they want sex once a month and you want a few times a week - this is too big of a gap (obviously expecting perfect symmetry in libido is unrealistic since there are so many other variables that need to also work out together in a relationship).

 

21 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Relationships can certainly teach you a lot about yourself

Yes, of course. But this wasn't the conversation here.
 

21 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

especially when you stop having a rigid idea of what a relationship even is.

Maybe I have a rigid idea of what a relationship is. Maybe I don't. Maybe you do. Who knows.

[The0Self]

@Migue Lonas

It’s not about not wanting a girlfriend, it’s the fact that many dating coaches couldn’t keep hot girlfriends if they tried, and yet they’re teaching men how to do that (and failing), when they have no clue. That’s all. This is truth talk in the dream state as far as any unknowing cult followers are concerned. So it won’t surprise me if you find this to be completely untrue if you’re in that category. Once you have gotten some great results it will be quite obvious who doesn’t know what they’re taking about. And there are levels too. Some are closer to the bottom than others. Anything that seems like a performance or trying to impress or pretending you don’t like the girl is almost the worst thing you could do — game works best when you assume you already got the girl and you move things forward while leading, sexualizing, multi-threading conversation, while just being normal like it’s an everyday occurrence.

Edited November 17, 2023 by The0Self

[Twentyfirst]

@Javfly33 A woman would have never spent 10 years of her one and only life learning how to get you. Why do you learn how to get her? Whats so special about her anyways

Just jerk off into a sock ahahaha 

Get an escort. They are super cool people actually. You can talk to them about anything 

[SeaMonster]

Some pickup gurus are basically narcissists who seek attention and validation. A lot of Mystery's game was predicated on this.  It's not necessarily for everyman.  It's stupid to follow a guru unless your psychology is very much like that of the guru, so what works for him will work for you.

[SeaMonster]

On 11/16/2023 at 7:01 PM, The0Self said:

Anything that seems like a performance or trying to impress or pretending you don’t like the girl is almost the worst thing you could do — game works best when you assume you already got the girl and you move things forward while leading, sexualizing, multi-threading conversation, while just being normal like it’s an everyday occurrence.

Guys focus so much on "getting the girl" they don't realize that some girls are already interested even before they say a word to them.

In other words they have tunnel vision.

[The0Self]

2 hours ago, SeaMonster said:

Guys focus so much on "getting the girl" they don't realize that some girls are already interested even before they say a word to them.

In other words they have tunnel vision.

Yeah sometimes the mere act of having the balls to talk to them in the first place is already enough to get their attraction. And of course they will give some token objections and your ability to answer them immediately and be unfazed further works in your favor.

[meta_male]

I thought the point of pickup was getting virgins into sex. I don't see why anyone else takes dating coaches seriously, especially PUAs. Here's what I've learnt: if this stuff gets you so frustrated and depressed you're going through hell it'd be wiser for you to work through your personal issues and traumas first. After this there's no more need to hide behind other men's tricks.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

3 minutes ago, meta_male said:

I thought the point of pickup was getting virgins into sex. I don't see why anyone else takes dating coaches seriously, especially PUAs. Here's what I've learnt: if this stuff gets you so frustrated and depressed you're going through hell it'd be wiser for you to work through your personal issues and traumas first. After this there's no more need to hide behind other men's tricks.

Exactly.

[Twentyfirst]

It's also important to know what you want. Do you want sex to ease your horniness? Do you want women as a trophy? Do you want a GF to have a cuddle companion to spend time with? Do you want babies? 

[The0Self]

6 hours ago, meta_male said:

 

I thought the point of pickup was getting virgins into sex.

 

I don’t detect any sarcasm here, which is unsettling.