The truth is what-is

[rachMiel]

What is 'what-is' in the statement: 

The truth is what-is. 

? 

[gettoefl]

such questions and conversations are best had with chat-gpt

when it confuses you then ask something here

here is the last port of call not the first

[ZzzleepingBear]

I'd say it's a acceptance statement to let an unknown truth be what it is regardless of speculative thoughts about it. 

Iiit iiis what it iiiiiisssss... 

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

such questions and conversations are best had with chat-gpt

when it confuses you then ask something here

here is the last port of call not the first

HAHAHAAH you are funny man. I do hope one day we create a BOT whose job it is to handle epistemological questions because at a certain point...you have heard them all. There is a guy who made a thread earlier who thinks he has made new arguments. I'm like....dude you need to go back deep in storage and you will see we pretty much hashed through like all objections at this point.

[rachMiel]

2 hours ago, ZzzleepingBear said:

I'd say it's a acceptance statement to let an unknown truth be what it is regardless of speculative thoughts about it. 

Iiit iiis what it iiiiiisssss... 

Something like: The truth is the truth? 

[ZzzleepingBear]

@rachMiel Rather, what ever the truth is. It will show itself just the way it is, in one way or other regardless of our own conclusions about it.

Truth is.

[rachMiel]

Say 'truth' is an idea, a human invention. Will it show itself as that? 

Edited November 1, 2023 by rachMiel

[AerisVahnEphelia]

nothing is

[rachMiel]

@AerisVahnEphelia Sorry, I fail to fathom. 'There is nothing that exists.' Or, 'Nothing(ness) is an existent.' Help! :-) 

[Osaid]

The word "truth" in the average use of the word definitely points to "what exists." It is a definition that humans created. 

Someone asks: Is there a unicorn in your room? You say yes, they say you are not telling the truth. You say no, they say you are telling the truth. In order to verify whether you are telling the truth, the person has to check your room for the unicorn to see if it exists there.

I would separate absolute truth from this human-invented notion of truth, because existence itself is meta to all notions and definitions you can come up with. The definitions happen inside of existence, so it does not capture existence since it is a subset of existence. Absolute truth points to what exists, but the realization of what exists is not a conclusion like "that thing exists therefore it is true", it is just realizing exactly what exists. You could say it is like realizing that nothing untrue can exist, therefore truth as a concept dissolves entirely in that realization.

[Vibroverse]

It is your current state of consciousness. 

 

[UnbornTao]

Whatever's the case. Start with what you've got and keep moving towards what's most true according to your estimation. A chair is a chair, don't call it a sofa.

Call things by their name and get at the root of your experience. Acknowledge your experience and go from there.

Nobody here knows what anything is.

Edited November 1, 2023 by UnbornTao

[rachMiel]

@Osaid "Absolute truth points to what exists." From whose/what point of view? In what context?

[rachMiel]

@UnbornTao "Nobody here knows what anything is." BOOM! :-) 

[Osaid]

2 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

From whose/what point of view?

From the point of view of someone who is trying to figure out what reality or existence is, or such existential questions.

2 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

In what context?

The context of your current experience, no other context is needed, because you exist, and you are trying to figure out what you exist as.

[Dodo]

6 hours ago, rachMiel said:

What is 'what-is' in the statement: 

The truth is what-is. 

? 

its a cope. Someone rightly cant understand what the truth is and so they say it is what it is, which is true LOL

jokes aside it just means Isness, being, nowness, that which BE. Being is truth. Not being this or being that, being itself. Isness, consciousness, awareness without the object thats is being "awared of".

Edited November 1, 2023 by Dodo

[rachMiel]

@Osaid Merci. :-) 

[rachMiel]

@Dodo But why equate existence with absolute truth? Why not nothingness? Or consciousness or spirit or brahman? Why does existence get such a privileged position? 

[Dodo]

Just now, rachMiel said:

@Dodo But why equate existence with absolute truth? Why not nothingness? Or consciousness or spirit or brahman? Why does existence get such a privileged position? 

dont they say its the same thing? sat chit ananda, existence consciousness bliss

consciousness means existence 

[rachMiel]

@Dodo Consciousness=existence is held true in some traditions, like Advaita, in others not. But why give any concept, existence or consciousness or bliss or nothingness or brahman, a privileged position in relation to absolute truth? (Not a leading question, I don't have a good answer!)