Free Palestine? No thanks.

[Lila9]

10 hours ago, Emerald said:

Here's an article from Human Rights Watch about the evacuation... https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/16/why-israels-gaza-evacuation-order-so-alarming

Continuous and systematic research of Human Rights Watch by NGO Monitor, which researches non-governmental organizations around the world, has found that HRW is focused on disproportionate condemnations against Israel and that the organization's publications about Israel are often unreliable.

https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/collection_of_annual_reports_on_human_rights_watch/

[Karmadhi]

@Lila9 So people should trust the Israeli government with openly racist people that has historically often lied over an international organization? 

Lol...

[Lila9]

30 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

@Lila9 So people should trust the Israeli government with openly racist people that has historically often lied over an international organization? 

Lol...

How would you explain that? ⬇️

56 minutes ago, DawnC said:

"As of 2013, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC). Since the UNHRC's creation in 2006, it has resolved almost as many resolutions condemning Israel alone than on issues for the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the UNHRC, not counting those under Agenda Item 10 (countries requiring technical assistance)."

Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel.

And this time period includes: The war in Darfur, Iraq war, Houthi insurgency in Yemen, Chadian Civil War, Fatah–Hamas conflict, Iraqi Civil War, war in Somalia, Libyan civil wars, Syrian civil war, Russo-Ukrainian war, war against ISIS and many many more. You don't see a problem here? Do you not find it concerning that Israel (a liberal democracy) has received more condemnation regarding human rights than Syria, Iran, North Korea, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Eritrea, China, and Russia all combined?

 

[Nivsch]

@Lila9 What Ironic is that exactly in this time Israel has activated from its land a field hospital for syrian refugees.

[Lila9]

24 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Lila9 What Ironic is that exactly in this time Israel has activated from its land a field hospital for syrian refugees.

It puts Israel in a too good light 🙂

Not something that worth mentioning as it doesn't fit the "Israel are evil nazis narrative" people want to believe in 🙂

[Lila9]

Free Palestine from the river to the sea 🫡

Wait... What? 🤔

 

[Nivsch]

14 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It puts Israel in a too good light 🙂

Not something that worth mentioning as it doesn't fit the "Israel are evil nazis narrative" people want to believe in 🙂

Right. Sorry to hurt the feelings here 😅

Edited November 7, 2023 by Nivsch

[MysticalSnow]

You're evil.

[Danioover9000]

   I agree that Israel should respond against HAMAs, but understand that Israel was bullying and taking Palestinian lands, and Zionists pursued a 2 party ethnostate, pretend to be westernized and democratic, yet surpress the votes and voices of the Palestinian people. I say Israel needs to suck some humble pie, and actually help out Palestinians in Gaza and west bank, stop demolishing Palestinian homes, rebuilding them and funnel in New Yorker Jews to buy their property. Israel's handling of this for the past 70 years is abysmal and immature, insecure bullying bigots. And the USA should mind their own business and let the UN send peace troops for Palestinians and help with the human crisis there.

[Danioover9000]

@AerisVahnEphelia

On 05/11/2023 at 7:13 PM, AerisVahnEphelia said:

what about fuck all religions and fuck ethno states ? ( and all states )

if it was up to me, I would put everyone that say I m into this pill of trash ( pile of trash = religions and sacred books ) , including buddhist, including atheist, including materialists ) I would put them all on the same island, then nuke it to the petroil strata so that you can go where you belong, in the dust with the dinosaurs.

Maybe we will start on sane base, or we can build love and unity without attachment to narratives.

I might not be doing that, but it's fun to imagine.

I guess have too much hope for humanity, but we might keep going on being pathetics and keep turning every fucking idea in town into a set of stones and call this pile of fucking pile of stones the truth or god.

We are so far from getting collective enlightment.

Our best bet is we reach AGI, AGI decide to tame humanity and force it into Love and understanding at the light level.

Every people that identify with a tribe, will be scanned by the AGI and classified as having potential for warmongering, and she will put you in a trashbin and burn your corpse as a fuel.

In fact that's exactly what will happen, so start now : get rid of your identity and religion and ethnicity or else, you're setting your futur self to be dismantled and ripped off by our AGI god lord.

You cannot tcheat the AGI lord, she will know if your heart is pure or evil.

   Absolutely truth. Nobody beating AGI intelligence and the matrix. Let the machines sort humanity out.

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

   I agree that Israel should respond against HAMAs, but understand that Israel was bullying and taking Palestinian lands, and Zionists pursued a 2 party ethnostate, pretend to be westernized and democratic, yet surpress the votes and voices of the Palestinian people. I say Israel needs to suck some humble pie, and actually help out Palestinians in Gaza and west bank, stop demolishing Palestinian homes, rebuilding them and funnel in New Yorker Jews to buy their property. Israel's handling of this for the past 70 years is abysmal and immature, insecure bullying bigots. And the USA should mind their own business and let the UN send peace troops for Palestinians and help with the human crisis there.

Israel gave thousands of work permissions in Israel to Gazans in the last couple of years with the hope it will make them more moderate. Along with more humanitarian steps and it didn't work. Stage red-blue culture thinks in a different langauge and those kind of gestures are not really intersting them. They only use those gestures to survive better physically, but most likely won't change their mind about you just because of this.

Amin El Husseini and his supporters in 1930's, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Boko haram in Nigeria, Isis in europe. All of this show us that Israel's acts from 1948 until today are not the root of the problem but only triggers that maybe and likely make the problem worse.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Israel gave thousands of work permissions in Israel to Gazans in the last couple of years with the hope it will make them more moderate. Along with more humanitarian steps and it didn't work. Stage red-blue culture thinks in a different langauge and those kind of gestures are not really intersting them. They only use those gestures to survive better physically, but most likely won't change their mind about you just because of this.

Amin El Husseini and his supporters in 1930's, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Boko haram in Nigeria, Isis in europe. All of this show us that Israel's acts from 1948 until today are not the root of the problem but only triggers that maybe and likely make the problem worse.

   How does that undo 80 years of bullying from Israel? How does that rectify Zionist wanting a 2 party state yet oppress the Palestinian government there? There's no equal representation even within Israel's country for Palestinians. Do you even realize how Israel is land grabbing Palestine lands?

   This is why the patriarchy and having an enforcement arm, the military and police is important. If Palestine had an army, they'd at least would defend themselves and their territory, and don't get bullied around by Israel. There's no way around justifying Israel's criminal behavior towards Palestinians and Gaza for 70 years, even the UN recognizes those actions as criminal and genocidal.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Nivsch]

47 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   How does that undo 80 years of bullying from Israel? How does that rectify Zionist wanting a 2 party state yet oppress the Palestinian government there? There's no equal representation even within Israel's country for Palestinians. Do you even realize how Israel is land grabbing Palestine lands?

   This is why the patriarchy and having an enforcement arm, the military and police is important. If Palestine had an army, they'd at least would defend themselves and their territory, and don't get bullied around by Israel. There's no way around justifying Israel's criminal behavior towards Palestinians and Gaza for 70 years, even the UN recognizes those actions as criminal and genocidal.

To say "80 years of bullying" is to simplify the picture in a very unfair, and just wrong, way. Israel has fought for its survival for 75 years against 4 Arab countries and sometimes more.

But along with that, yes, there were problems Israel did and does until today with the settlements ever expansion that should be stopped at least of a couple of years, to show seriousness to the other side. There are also serious mistakes Israel does in the west bank from time to time and have to learn and develop from them.

But Israel doesn't "oppress" the Palestinians nor the Palestinian government but rather co-operate with them to maintain the relatively good security situation in the west bank that the only reason is good and hamas can't take over there is because of that co-operation. The only reason hamas isn't thriving in the west bank is because Israeli soldiers are found IN there.

Palestinian's army is mainly hamas and the PLO that in their convenant said Israel has to be demolished. Stage reb-blue 'army' is a terror organization.

If you have a better way to destroy hamas in Gaza with less harm to civilians, while its number one strategy is to assimilate among them as much as possible, please explain. Israel has left Gaza in 2005 and from then it became a terror base much worse than it was before 2005.

What PLO did to hamas in 80 years that made hamas drop them from rooftops after came to power in 2005?

Edited December 1, 2023 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

To say "80 years of bullying" is to simplify the picture in a very unfair, and just wrong, way. Israel has fought for its survival for 75 years against 4 Arab countries and sometimes more.

But along with that, yes, there were problems Israel did and does until today with the settlements ever expansion that should be stopped at least of a couple of years, to show seriousness to the other side. There are also serious mistakes Israel does in the west bank from time to time and have to learn and develop from them.

But Israel doesn't "oppress" the Palestinians nor the Palestinian government but rather co-operate with them to maintain the relatively good security situation in the west bank that the only reason is good and hamas can't take over there is because of that co-operation. The only reason hamas isn't thriving in the west bank is because Israeli soldiers are found IN there.

Palestinian's army is mainly hamas and the PLO that in their convenant said Israel has to be demolished. Stage reb-blue 'army' is a terror organization.

If you have a better way to destroy hamas in Gaza with less harm to civilians, while its number one strategy is to assimilate among them as much as possible, please explain. Israel has left Gaza in 2005 and from then it became a terror base much worse than it was before 2005.

What PLO did to hamas in 80 years that made hamas drop them from rooftops after came to power in 2005?

   I intentionally say Israel is the bully here, because compared to Palestinians Israel has the power currently in west bank and Gaza, they are the ones land grabbing and have military might, not Palestinians, so Israel is the bully and Palestinians are getting bullied here. They are the ones acting like white supremacists here, segregating between Israeli and Palestinians in the check points, only letting Palestinians in one street way and Israeli the other.

   What are you talking about? Palestine never had a sufficiently strong army itself, it had to rely on Iran, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and other Arab countries instead, meanwhile Israel has the superior army and technological weaponry. I was saying if Palestinians had a proper army, Israel wouldn't be expanding so brazenly, but because Palestinians can't properly defend themselves, Israel gets to land grabbing with impunity.

   Don't care about how HAMAs is dealt with by Israel, I care about when Israel will give some lands back to Palestinians and stop treating Palestinians as second class people? Otherwise we keep having terrorist groups prop up just because of them being treated as second class people. As long as there are alt right nationalist Zionists in charge in Israel government, Palestinians will be second class, and will have their homes get taken over. 

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nivsch

   I intentionally say Israel is the bully here, because compared to Palestinians Israel has the power currently in west bank and Gaza, they are the ones land grabbing and have military might, not Palestinians, so Israel is the bully and Palestinians are getting bullied here. They are the ones acting like white supremacists here, segregating between Israeli and Palestinians in the check points, only letting Palestinians in one street way and Israeli the other.

   What are you talking about? Palestine never had a sufficiently strong army itself, it had to rely on Iran, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and other Arab countries instead, meanwhile Israel has the superior army and technological weaponry. I was saying if Palestinians had a proper army, Israel wouldn't be expanding so brazenly, but because Palestinians can't properly defend themselves, Israel gets to land grabbing with impunity.

   Don't care about how HAMAs is dealt with by Israel, I care about when Israel will give some lands back to Palestinians and stop treating Palestinians as second class people? Otherwise we keep having terrorist groups prop up just because of them being treated as second class people. As long as there are alt right nationalist Zionists in charge in Israel government, Palestinians will be second class, and will have their homes get taken over. 

Again I said that the ever expansion of the settlements is a problem and has to be stopped.

What else do you see as a problem?

Please try to explain practically. I cannot argue with slogans.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Nivsch