Solipsism undebunked - for the 500th time

[Dodo]

27 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I'm not talking about belief silly.   You've been here long enough.  So stop playing coy.  I remember you, and welcome back.  We are talking about mysticism.  Have an open mind to the possibility that reality is mystical. 

That last sentence has nothing to do with it. I do have an open mind that reality is mystical and I've had personal experiences labelled by others as "psychosis" that actually prove it to me, because I knew how real these experiences were while they were happening.

Its very patronising of you to write that last sentence as if Im some guy here with rigid belief system that cant get out of his own a$$ and what society tells him. 

Belief and mysticism are intertwined, belief is not a swear word. I know that exactly because I don't believe everyone I listen to, I believe my own experience. 

Am I supposed to believe that reality is mystical and mysterious, but that one guy on that one forum can tell you all the secrets? He got the ultimate truth even tho its highly mystical and paradoxical, you better believe him at face value whatever he says! If you don't, you prove yourself to be a lower level consciousness joker! 

PS:
you know what, googled mysticism and even the definitions include belief in them. Wasn't that a Leo suggestion, google words you know, gives you perspective. 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@Inliytened1 True but then, who is receiving that ? again speaking with yourself ?

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Inliytened1 True but then, who is receiving that ? again speaking with yourself ?

Yes.  You are talking to yourself.  Have you ever become lucid in a dream?  Well, that's what waking up is.  It is perfect lucidity.  Now - the nice thing about lucid dreaming is immersing yourself.  To do that you must forget it is a dream but you must also leave notes for yourself so that you can come back to lucidity.   Otherwise you will get lost in your own mind.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Inliytened1

[LastThursday]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What if that external world was something being dreamt by Consciousness. 

Whether external or internal or whatever, believing it to be an illusion would presuppose that there was something "outside" of the illusion - i.e. something that wasn't the illusion. Again, solipism would fail because there's supposed to be nothing outside of it. Maybe you can destroy some imagined illusion, but it's not going to be solipsism.

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

That last sentence has nothing to do with it. I do have an open mind that reality is mystical and I've had personal experiences labelled by others as "psychosis" that actually prove it to me, because I knew how real these experiences were while they were happening.

Its very patronising of you to write that last sentence as if Im some guy here with rigid belief system that cant get out of his own a$$ and what society tells him. 

Belief and mysticism are intertwined, belief is not a swear word. I know that exactly because I don't believe everyone I listen to, I believe my own experience. 

Am I supposed to believe that reality is mystical and mysterious, but that one guy on that one forum can tell you all the secrets?

 

 

Of course not.  We are just jerking each other off here.   Do your own spiritual work.  I'm not your dad although I'm old enough to be.  I don't want that responsibility.   What I'm saying is that I've always seen a bias in you.   And if you want to realize Truth - to become Truth- you have to drop it.

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

Whether external or internal or whatever, believing it to be an illusion would presuppose that there was something "outside" of the illusion -

There is Truth.  Truth is simply the illusion spoiled and reality seen for what it is.  If you're not into that kind of thing - then walk your dog and go on with your day.   But here we are about uncovering Truth.  The illusion and Truth are one and the same thing - it is just that one makes many out of one  - and the other is pulling the many back into the one.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Of course not.  We are just jerking each other off here.   Do your own spiritual work.  I'm not your dad although I'm old enough to be.  I don't want that responsibility.   What I'm saying is that I've always seen a bias in you.   And if you want to realize Truth - to become Truth- you have to drop it.

its the opposite of circlejerk here... There is no such bias, it's just that I am perhaps always challenging what you're saying and you take that as if I have a bias. I'm the kind of guy who will challenge what I perceive as bullsh1t, no matter who wrote it. Leo has some great content, when I see something I consider bs, I call it and don't care. If you're a mod as well, I don't care, I take what you write based on what you write. If I see Jesus saying something BS I will call it, Hitler as well. 

If Hitler and Jesus say the same sentence, there are people who will challenge only Hitler, but I am the guy who would challenge both, because its not about who says it, but what they say. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Dodo said:

its the opposite of circlejerk here... There is no such bias, it's just that I am perhaps always challenging what you're saying and you take that as if I have a bias. I'm the kind of guy who will challenge what I perceive as bullsh1t, 

 

 

So do you perceive mysticism as bullshit? 

[Razard86]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So do you perceive mysticism as bullshit? 

Majority of people in this thread just want to argue against what is obvious. We have already solved all the objections, so now they start attacking the labels. You notice that? Since they cannot disprove what you say...they avoid it by saying...who needs labels its all stories, you notice that? It's like....we don't give a damn about labels we are using labels because that is what language is....labels. We can't hand them the realization, nor should we because we would be a devil if we did....the worst kind of devil lol

All we can do is create pointers and you either accept it or you don't. But notice...we overcame all their objections...so all they have left to do is either criticize the use of labels...or play the "you never know card." It's so funny....because all it proves is you don't want to awaken...you just want to dance around the void. 

It's like go find something else to do, why pretend to want something you don't? I had a guy message me a couple of months ago, I gave him a method to realize what he is...he started the process and existential fear arose and he felt like he was going crazy. I foretold him it would happen and how he responds will reveal how he truly feels. So when it happened he freaked out and said he realized he wasn't ready to give up his humanity. I showered him with praise and commended him on his bravery and honesty.

That's how you do Spirituality. You do the work and if you feel its not for you, you put it down and move on. Not pontificate about it for 10-20 years or more like most Spiritual seekers. I mean I understand that because God is infinity...God must live a life of pretending it wants to awaken and never awaken until physical death, just like God will also be a criminal and go to jail. But......um....do you want that to be YOU? That version of God that just runs around in circles?

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@Inliytened1 Do you think this is what we do by being here, maximizing immersion ?

Why one shall immerse ?

 

[HMD]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

Nice dodge... How come I know my rent as well, if the Self is the only thing that can be known? You don't know my rent, you are not conscious of my rent! How can you be the same consciousness if you are not conscious of the things I am? Either means consciousness is not you, or we are separate consciousness. 

@Dodo or consciousness is manifesting limitation and separation so that it can hold the capacity to be ignorant and limited. 

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Inliytened1 Do you think this is what we do by being here, maximizing immersion ?

Why one shall immerse ?

 

That's exactly why.  It's entertainment.   God loves drama if you haven't noticed.  God is a sucker for it.   It's all about the experience.   That's what infinity is.  It is manifesting new experiences, one after the next, forever.   What else would it be.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

You are dreaming everything.   There is nothing outside of what you are directly experiencing

Those two statements are solipsism, and I think that they are two ideas that have no relation to awakening, and that are also not true.

I am God imagining reality: This means that I am something: God. and that I am is performing an action, which is projecting mental images, a dream, and this dream is the result of the action. So if I stop dreaming, reality would disappear, but I, God, would remain. So I God would be reality? And what is that god exactly? I tell you what it is: it is the ego.

The second statement: there is nothing outside your direct experience, implies that reality is limited to your current experience. not only impossible to know but irrelevant.

Awakening is not knowing those things, but opening yourself to what reality is. The configuration of reality creates the self, the center, container of experience, which you confuse with a god who creates something. Reality is unlimited and therefore there is no real center, there is no i that can claim to be god. The only illusion there is the sensation of a self. To truly open yourself to the now you must let the self fall into nothingness, that is, dissolve the illusion of a center, and to do so, among other things, abandon the need to understand. To know that there are no others or that you are God is to understand, it is self. If you drop the serf, reality is revealed as unfathomable depth, living existence without limit.

This existence is not one, it is not two, it is the infinite without center. absolute horror for the ego, which is why it is difficult to do it. reality is one, it is a realization that only the self can make, and therefore it is not real. Reality is truly indefinable, completely. Any definition is within existence, and therefore is limited, useless and false.

The only awakening is the opening now to total existence. Doing this for more than a few moments is difficult, it is like putting two magnets with the same pole together, they tend to move apart, to become two again. It is a very subtle art. The opening I had two days ago for example was complete, but it is not something that can be defined, nor really remembered, since it is a memory that is not that. Any memory needs structure, and awakening is without structure.

The ego does not like this, and tries strategies, such as solipsism, I am God, this is exactly like that, I am dreaming, etc. All that means nothing, grips for the mind

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Majority of people in this thread just want to argue against what is obvious. We have already solved all the objections, so now they start attacking the labels. You notice that? Since they cannot disprove what you say...they avoid it by saying...who needs labels its all stories, you notice that? It's like....we don't give a damn about labels we are using labels because that is what language is....labels. We can't hand them the realization, nor should we because we would be a devil if we did....the worst kind of devil lol

All we can do is create pointers and you either accept it or you don't. But notice...we overcame all their objections...so all they have left to do is either criticize the use of labels...or play the "you never know card." It's so funny....because all it proves is you don't want to awaken...you just want to dance around the void. 

It's like go find something else to do, why pretend to want something you don't? I had a guy message me a couple of months ago, I gave him a method to realize what he is...he started the process and existential fear arose and he felt like he was going crazy. I foretold him it would happen and how he responds will reveal how he truly feels. So when it happened he freaked out and said he realized he wasn't ready to give up his humanity. I showered him with praise and commended him on his bravery and honesty.

That's how you do Spirituality. You do the work and if you feel its not for you, you put it down and move on. Not pontificate about it for 10-20 years or more like most Spiritual seekers. I mean I understand that because God is infinity...God must live a life of pretending it wants to awaken and never awaken until physical death, just like God will also be a criminal and go to jail. But......um....do you want that to be YOU? That version of God that just runs around in circles?

All of that is exactly correct.   But notice you are getting way too frustrated.   If what we are telling them is true, which of course it is- then why would we even care to wake them up in the first place?  Maybe you just enjoy full immersion- but you are getting yourself all bent out of shape for nothing.  Everyone on this forum is a figment of your own imagination.   So if you want to stress about it and get high blood pressure, go for it.  But honestly awakening should make you more relaxed.  Like the guy in the 12th ox pic, or whatever. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Those two statements are solipsism, and I think that they are two ideas that have no relation to awakening, and that are also not true.

I am God imagining reality: This means that I am something: God. and that I am is performing an action, which is projecting mental images, a dream,

 

 

That's the paradox I already mentioned.   You are the Self with the capital S.  See this is why Leo hates Buddhism.   You guys have gotten lost in it.  It's wonderful because it teaches you no self - but it falls short because it is a religion. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Inliytened1

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@Inliytened1 you might be dreaming that "awakening" makes one "relaxed".

unless relaxed means "relaxed", then we might agree.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's the paradox I already mentioned.   You are the Self with the capital S.  See this is why Leo hates Buddhism.   You guys have gotten lost in it.  It's wonderful because it teaches you no self - but it falls short because it is a religion. 

I have read almost nothing about Buddhism or spirituality in general, only daily meditation and psychedelics quite often with the serious intention of opening up reality.

[Razard86]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

All of that is exactly correct.   But notice you are getting way too frustrated.   If what we are telling them is true, which of course it is- then why would we even care to wake them up in the first place?  Maybe you just enjoy full immersion- but you are getting yourself all bent out of shape for nothing.  Everyone on this forum is a figment of your own imagination.   So if you want to stress about it and get high blood pressure, go for it.  But honestly awakening should make you more relaxed.  Like the guy in the 12th ox pic, or whatever. 

I'm still doing my own shadow work....my current bias is dishonesty, or lying. And I'm not bent out of shape actually I'm enjoying the drama that dishonesty creates. I just find it funny how no matter how accurate you are at showing something to yourself, your self has an infinite capacity to deny. I am fully aware that these versions of myself actually know they are full of shit. It's just funny how they actually think they can fool me or you, they can't even fool themselves at this point.

Because again....when you are told that it is no different than your night time dreams...all you gotta do is close your eyes.. imagine a scenario, open up your eyes and realize its the same thing. Oh and the method I gave the guy?

I told him to eat an edible, and watch Leo's Guided Exercise for Realizing You Are God. That is like the laziest path to awakening. You can let Leo's video deconstruct your reality for you. Just sit, with a clear mind, don't think, and listen to that video in an altered state...and your consciousness will on its own start stripping stuff away. 

This is why I said....at this point anyone on this forum not using the easy mode that Leo laid out for you...you just aren't interested. You don't even need an edible or consciousness altering substance, its just faster that way. You can also alter your consciousness by staring at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aenWZUYKOH8&list=PLimK6clJHdM2E00rg4EwzNFcvVfBLPVaC&index=1&ab_channel=TobiasBassline

Chakra music combined with consistent meditation can also influence you also. But when I say God created so many pathways to awaken, God created a ridiculous amount of pathways to awaken. If you don't awaken, its not cause of genetics, because Spirituality will alter your genes, it altered mine. So if you don't awaken...you didn't want too. 

But again it doesn't bother me, it is actually fun for me to keep pointing out that you don't want to awaken...because if you did....you'd be awakening. 

 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Inliytened1 you might be dreaming that "awakening" makes one "relaxed".

unless relaxed means "relaxed", then we might agree.

 

When you beat God of War Ragnarok did you care about the inner contents anymore? If you did, it was for pure entertainment. 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

When you beat God of War Ragnarok did you care about the inner contents anymore? If you did, it was for pure entertainment. 

Define your awakenings, if you want and can. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Breakingthewall