Dear Leo, why are you quoting exclusively Islamic/Sufi sources on your blog?

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, An young being said:

But does the quantity of gods really matter?

I have been taught a poem by Kambar during my school days which roughly translates into " If you say, God is one. God is one. If you say God is many, God is many. If you say God is none, God is none. If say God exists, God exists. If you say God is something, God is something. If you say God is everything, God is everything. God exists based on our beliefs. If we understand that, life will be better."

I believe it applies to all faith.

God is whatever you say it is ^^^^I'm glad you understand the wisdom of these teachings.

Because Reality is Absolutely Relative and has no ground, whatever ground/position/perspective you take will be your experience of God. This is what the teachings are pointing too. I'm glad you got it. One of the aspects of Enlightenment is to realize your perspective is the ground of reality. Your ego was designed to be the ground so you can experience God....in a particular way.

[Someone here]

25 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

well then read the three that i mentioned before making a judgement. You just have so e bias against hinduism because it’s your family religion and you want to rebel against it imo. I mean the caste stuff etc sucks but it is imo more interesting than Islam generally 

Trust me ..Eastern religions are being trendy now in the west because the west is spiritually starving because of materialism and capitalism...but none of these Indian religions Is worth a penny. 

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

If it's so useless how can it incarnate into something. Can you fly right now like a bird. No, it's because it's so powerful that it can manifest as a bird to fly. It is being that bird and it is being you.

Yes that's what hinduism suggests. That braham Is the puppeteer That is cosplaying as all these different forms . It's like a shape-shifting clay that takes on infinite forms .

But in Islam..God is separate from its creation .he doesn't become the form.he just create it .

So to say that I'm God is the biggest blasphemy possible in Islam.

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

So to say that I'm God is the biggest blasphemy possible in Islam.

Sucks

[Vibroverse]

If you read the quran, and the hadiths, from a historicist and mystical perspective, then it is beautiful. Otherwise, if you try to bring the sharia to the modern day world, and believe that that is what islam is, as many muslims probably do, then it is a catastrophe. 

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Vibroverse

[Princess Arabia]

26 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So to say that I'm God is the biggest blasphemy possible in Islam.

It's blasphemy to deny you are God.

[Sincerity]

21 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So to say that I'm God is the biggest blasphemy possible in Islam.

"I am the Truth." (al-Hallaj)

"Take the famous utterance, "I AM GOD." Some people think this is a great pretension, but "I am God" is in fact a great humility. Those who say, instead, "I am a servant of God" believe that two exist, themselves and God. But those who say, "I am God" have become nothing and have cast themselves to the winds. They say, "I am God" meaning, "I am not, God is all. There is no existence but God. I have lost all separation. I am nothing." In this the humility is greater." (Rumi)

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Sincerity said:

"I am the Truth." (al-Hallaj)

"Take the famous utterance, "I AM GOD." Some people think this is a great pretension, but "I am God" is in fact a great humility. Those who say, instead, "I am a servant of God" believe that two exist, themselves and God. But those who say, "I am God" have become nothing and have cast themselves to the winds. They say, "I am God" meaning, "I am not, God is all. There is no existence but God. I have lost all separation. I am nothing." In this the humility is greater." (Rumi)

Love, love, love this.

[Breakingthewall]

Hate is our only enemy. For us the whole world is One. I am not on earth to sow war and enmity. Love is the mission and vocation of all life. Let a single word stop the war: "Love and be loved." We feel hate towards no one. Everyone is equal to us 

Yunus Emre.

 

[Sincerity]

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[An young being]

1 hour ago, HMD said:

Islam is a robust system if you follow it intelligently. Especially the sufis.

Sufism is interesting and closer in touch with Spirituality, but unfortunately it's not getting the necessary attention in the Islam world the same way as Hindus nowadays leaning towards materialistic superstitions instead of the core spiritual concepts Hinduism was supposed to teach.

[itsadistraction]

37 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Please keep in mind we don't allow ignorant/closed-minded talk such as "religion X the truth" or "religion Y worthless". Be reasonable and nuanced.

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It's what makes the forum great and unique. Imagine if the whole world operated like this!

[Davino]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

Islam is the only religion that makes sense. 

All other religions are an insult to your intelligence .

"There was a time, when I blamed my companion if his religion did not resemble mine. Now, however, my heart accepts every form....Love alone is my religion." Ibn Arabi

"Beware of confining yourself to a particular belief and denying all else, for much good would elude you - indeed, the knowledge of reality would elude you. Be in yourself a matter for all forms of belief, for God is too vast and tremendous to be restricted to one belief rather than another."

"Do not praise your own faith exclusively so that you disbelieve all the rest. If you do this you will miss much good. Nay, you will miss the whole truth of the matter. God, the Omniscient and the Omnipresent, cannot be confined to any one creed, for He says in the Quran, wheresoever ye turn, there is the face of Allah. Everybody praises what he knows. His God is his own creature, and in praising it, he praises himself. Which he would not do if he were just, for his dislike is based on ignorance." Ibn Arabi

"My heart can take on any form:
A meadow for gazelles,
A cloister for monks,
For the idols, sacred ground,
Ka'ba for the circling pilgrim,
The tables of the Torah,
The scrolls of the Quran.

My creed is Love;
Wherever its caravan turns along the way,
That is my belief,
My faith."

"I believe in the religion of Love, whatever direction its caravans may take, for Love is my religion and my faith."

"When you know yourself, your 'I'ness vanishes and you know that you and Allah are one and the same."

"I am in love with no other than myself, and my very separation is my union... I am my beloved and my lover"

 

Ibn Arabi was a revered Sufi mystic whose concept of the "Unity of Being" and profound writings on divine love significantly shaped Islamic spirituality, philosophy, and theology. His legacy lies in his intricate exploration of the nature of existence and the soul's relationship with the divine, leaving a profound impact on Islamic intellectual history. Said in other words, it's impossible to fully understand Islam without Ibn Arabi.

 

[Davino]

I've studied comparative religion for many years and it just blows my mind how ignorant people are about religions, even their own religion.

Also about Leo shitting on buddhist no-self but then praising selflessness as the highest like, don't you make some connection there?

From all abrahamic traditions, to hinduism, shamanism and all the rest, I'm telling you all, there has been extremely awake individuals in ALL traditions. You have just scratched the surface, you have not studied, you have not experienced, you have not awoken, you have not locked and made it your default state.

If you experienced the flavour of islam how inmense and humbling it is. If you have experienced the flavour of christianity how resurrective and forgiving it is, bloddy rose like. If you have experienced the flavour of hinduism in it's inclusiveness and energetic vibrance, intricately multidimensionally flourishing. If you have experienced the essence of buddhism, pure clarity and stillness, full seeing non locative. If you have experienced shamanism, what a beautiful race in the unconscious and primal, flipping you inside out. If you experienced the essence of Sikhism, what an elegant theological synthesis and selfless service centric lifestyle. If you have experienced the essence of the Tao, oh what a natural flowness, you cannot imagine how complete it is.

Religion is mostly bullshit but there are some jewels that will kill you and fulfill you to your core. Each religion has mastered unique states of consciousness that you will very hardly access in your own. This is the Truth beyond the dogma.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Davino

[HMD]

@An young being Of course! Truth often takes the back seat. Of course. Society is a humongous ego game. This is why Sufis are somewhat reclusive, and they don’t teach out in public, and the highest truth they keep to themselves, as no one is capable of validating it but themselves. 

So that plays into why they are not mainstream. Our society is mostly stage orange materialistic type, and Wahabism (the other side of Islam) corresponds mostly with that, and it is Rampant everywhere. 

 

[HMD]

@Davino And it fucks me up when I ask other Muslims about him; most of them tell me that reading Ibn al Arabi is dangerous and should be done with caution; you should rather stick with someone more casual. 

They don’t deny his teachings but have a stigma against him. He’s sort of like the psychedelics of the Muslim world. 

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, HMD said:

And it fucks me up when I ask other Muslims about him; most of them tell me that reading Ibn al Arabi is dangerous and should be done with caution;

I don't understand why Ibn Arabi has remained in the Muslim tradition, there is absolutely nothing Muslim about him. 

Islam is absolutely inflexible, hard, programmed, full of rules, it restricts people, women must be a certain way, men another, everyone dress the same, pray at the same time, say the same things, not drink alcohol, not eating pork, all that, and I would say that ibn arabi was a free guy, not a slave

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Razard86 said:

God is whatever you say it is ^^^^I'm glad you understand the wisdom of these teachings

 

It is precisely the opposite, you have to step away and the living reality manifests itself. It is not a perspective, it is reality beyond form and perspective.

[HMD]

@Breakingthewall You’re describing Wahabism. The left-brained, materialist manifestation of Islam. Sufism on the other hand is where the real juice is at. 

And Ibn-Arabi has plenty of followers and many respect his teachings. He understood the essence of Islam, the core, and then stripped the rest away from it. 

He built his work on the works of Al-Ghazali, who was influenced by various other teachers like Al Halaj. And there were other scholars who worked on various philosophical and metaphysical stuff, like ibn tufail and ibm Nafis who worked on epistemology. 

So the essence has always been there, but it has manifested in two distinct forms, and Wahabism is prevailing nowadays. But there was a time when the other side was prevalent. 

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by HMD

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, HMD said:

@Breakingthewall You’re describing Wahabism. The left-brained, materialist manifestation of Islam. Sufism on the other hand is where the real juice is at. 

And Ibn-Arabi has plenty of followers and many respect his teachings. He understood the essence of Islam, the core, and then stripped the rest away from it. 

He built his work on the works of Al-Ghazali, who was influenced by various other teachers like al halaj. So the essence has always been there, but it has manifested in two distinct forms. 

I’ve met so many muslims in europe though but never once met a sufist i think

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, HMD said:

He built his work on the works of Al-Ghazali, who was influenced by various other teachers like al halaj

Interesting. It is an unknown Islam. The image that those of us who do not live in Islamic countries have of Islam can imagine what it is: rigidity, chains for the soul, beings repressed, afraid of appearing as sinner don't doing Ramadan,  false and full of prohibition, fear of women, mental torture.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Breakingthewall