So women can press charges on you for saving their life now?

[Emotionalmosquito]

TL;DR: Just watch the video and tell me what you think.

The video is about why more men are starting to avoid women and part of it is a story about a guy that gets charged for sexual harassment for saving a girl’s life via mouth to mouth cpr. She says she would’ve rather had “someone else” do it. Not her boyfriend or one of her friends or a family member but “someone else”.

That tells me she was pissed off that it wasn’t another woman or a more attractive man that saved her instead. Otherwise wouldn’t she have been more specific than just “someone else”? The article says he was also playing with her tits. Not saying it is, but that sounds like something a girl like her would make up just to make her case stronger, and certainly no one would dare doubt her if so. Do you think she would just drop the charges if it was somehow proven that he merely accidentally touched them in the process of performing the cpr or if he hadn’t done it at all? Hell no she wouldn’t. If women can get us in serious trouble this easily and for just acting out of genuine concern imagine what else they can do. If a guy tried to pull this crap on a girl the case would instantly be laughed out of the court room and we wouldn’t even be hearing about it. This toxic female behavior virus is spreading at an alarming rate and I’m genuinely getting scared. 

The rest of the videos are mainly just examples of men refusing to help women in need out of fear of having their reputation ruined by being framed as a creep, which as we can see is a perfectly rational fear. If a guy interacts with the wrong girl — of which there are WAY too many and there’s no way to tell just by looking at them — he very well might lose his job if his boss sees, get ridiculed all over social media or at the very least be banned from his gym that he may have been going to for a long time. If you think I’m blowing this out of proportion, just know that there was literally a BLIND guy, that’s right, a blind guy got reprimanded by the staff at his gym because some stuck up brat felt as though he was staring at her, even after he proved to them he was blind. Yes, it’s that bad. Keep in mind men are going through these issues for often nothing more than glancing in women’s direction, so you can pretty much forget about the future of pickup and game if things are headed in this direction. 

These chicks will wear tight clothing that reveal all their bodily cracks and curves then record and watch men like a hawk in the hopes of catching one stealing a glance. This is done despite having numerous female only gyms in every decent sized city. What’s really funny is if men tried to start their own male only gym, imagine the societal backlash that would ensue. It’s like they can’t be happy either way.  Of course the biggest irony in all this is the fact that they’re accusing us of creepy behavior when they’re the ones literally recording and putting us on their social media pages without our consent.

This could be a big part of the answer to the opening question of my last thread asking why some guys mistreat the ladies once they get smooth enough to pull consistently. There is truly an all out war being waged on men and masculinity and it’s been going on for many years now. This post only describes one aspect of it. I didn’t even get into:

• Women tend to receive significantly lighter punishments for the same crimes 
• underaged boys can be forced to pay child support to the women of whom they’re groomed.
• men get treated egregiously unfairly in the family court system and in divorces 
• it’s much more acceptable to bash men than women in mainstream entertainment 
• Male victims of domestic violence aren’t taken as seriously 

There are plenty more where those came from and each of those topics on their own are deep enough to be their own thread. With all this in mind, is it any wonder why things like MGTOW, MRA and redpill/blackpill philosophies have been developed? This normalized anti-male sexism is a massive and deeply worrying problem and I have no idea what our next steps forward as a species are going to look like.

[mr_engineer]

When you interact with any woman, figure out whether she's a feminist or a normal woman. If she's a feminist, don't help her. Give her the 'equality' that she's fighting you for. If she's a normal woman, do help her. And err on the side of caution, because authority-figures will not give you the benefit of the doubt. 

It's the same advice I'd give to a woman who's anxious about particular guys being 'potentially unsafe'. You have to figure out whether he actually is unsafe or not. If he is unsafe, avoid him/block him. If he's not, go to therapy. 

Today's feminism is a cynical, anti-male ideology and the type of women who gravitate towards it are women who have no self-worth when it comes to 'being worthy of men's protectiveness'. The 'independence'/'equality' talk is a cope for these self-worth issues. So, if you don't help them, it's not your failure to 'be a gentleman', it's their failure to be receptive to your help. Their self-worth issues are what they will actualize, when they actively hate on the gentleman. And, to be fair, their cynicism should disqualify them in your eyes anyways. 

Edited October 18, 2023 by mr_engineer

[Felliks]

I'm often not strong enough to overpower or lead an entire social dynamic of a group, so I developed a sixth sense of which women are straight-up bitches. It's intuitive. I observe and subtract attention from those, and I had 0 problems since.

Even the most outgoing, hardcore, socially calibrated game master I know expressed concern for US' legal and court dynamic. America is a shithole in that respect.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Felliks

[something_else]

The list of issues you listed at the end are 100x more relevant than anything in that guy's video and deserve more attention and discussion.

In essentially all cases, if a woman or man dropped a barbell on themselves in any gym, they'd get help quickly and no one would make a big deal out of it. She has a tripod for checking her form, not to detect creeps like is implied.

And is that woman who is pressing charges for SA after the guy saved her life ungrateful and cruel? Absolutely. However I also can't find any information about it online either other than the original articles from some less than reliable news sites. Given it was 2.5 years ago you can likely conclude it came to nothing as would be expected. IIRC there is also a good samaritan law which would protect him.

My point is not that this stuff isn't an issue. It is. But it isn't nearly as widespread as what channels like this make it out to be. if you want to be properly informed on these issues, channels like this are a very low quality place to get your information from. Just like the woman posting men staring on social media, these channels are trying to make money by creating outrage. They have no incentive to be fair or unbiased.

[Kid A]

7 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

The video is about why more men are starting to avoid women and part of it is a story about a guy that gets charged for sexual harassment for saving a girl’s life via mouth to mouth cpr.

These men spend way too much time watching the wrong videos on Youtube, like this one. I used to be one of those. Being exposed to too many horror examples, like the girl in this video, brainwashes you into believing the world is a much much worse and dangerous place than it actually is. 

[universe]

Watch out for projections and egoic reactions. This is a place for personal development.

Don't you have bigger fish to fry?

 

Please read this thread.

 

[Emotionalmosquito]

(Answer the question at the bottom for anyone not willing to read the whole thing)

@universe I will read the thread, don’t worry. I can sense that this thread is soon to be locked, but before that happens please hear me out. I’m sure to you more spiritually and socially advanced folks I seem to be doing a lot of projecting and reacting egotistically, and to some extent I probably am. Try to see things from the perspective of those of us affected by these issues. For example, (and I have numerous examples) just yesterday I was at a town gathering where I saw two girls that were perfect for cold approaching. They escaped me because I waited too long trying to psyche myself up to do the approach. See, the anxiety itself is not the problem, it’s the fact the anxiety cripples your cognitive functions to the point where it becomes impossible to convey your thoughts clearly or even speak normally, and that’s even after doing warmup approaches. 

The source of that anxiety is not fear of rejection. Who cares if she says no. It’s the imminent danger of being secretly filmed and defamed all over social media causing tons of other girls to hate me as well (there’s a huge trend where girls are doing this to guys at the gym for simply glancing in their direction) that’s not projecting or fear mongering, that’s objectively what is happening. If the girls decide they dislike you or feel uncomfortable with something you said or even just your “vibe” they can point you out to the cops claiming harassment and suddenly you’re in cuffs possibly being filmed and laughed at during the arrest. Ending up like that for simply trying to get a girlfriend would rocket propel almost anyone into levels of sheer psychological torment far exceeding what the human mind is built to withstand. This very well can and does happen and they don’t even need proof of you doing something genuinely wrong. Then you’ve got risks such as being maced, threatened or worse by her bf or random white knight(s), being bullied by her and friends, getting banned from whatever venue for reasons basically amounting to lacking social skills... anything can happen. These issues are further reinforced by all the other areas in life I’ve mentioned in which women are more advantaged than us, and by the fact that the male suicide rate is significantly higher. I realize this is a place of self improvement and I know it sounds like all I’m doing is complaining. Part of what I’m doing is venting, which the forum guidelines lists as acceptable. Though I’m also seriously trying to get this galaxy sized obstacle overcome. It has caused me deeper despair and hopelessness than I ever thought possible. I’m 100% certain the feeling is somewhere close to a mother who recently lost her children. The ONLY thing I want anymore I can’t have no matter how much effort I put in. I’ve reached the beginning stages of completely and absolutely losing my fucking mind. There’s no point in being alive anymore. All over being denied the ecstasy of having a decent partner to cuddle up on the couch and watch retarded Netflix shows with like other people have.

Before this gets too much longer I’ll close on one final question I want answered if nothing else. How come when men bring up societal misandry it’s somehow considered projecting or egotism and we’re told to man up and get better or the thread just gets locked but when women talk about misogyny it’s taken a lot more seriously than that? Are men’s issues (which are literally driving people to suicide) not valid enough to be seriously discussed in depth? That in itself is a sort of meta sexism ironically enough.

[mr_engineer]

@universe So, you support women pressing charges on men for saving their lives? 

If you support the scapegoating of innocent men, by all means, lock this thread and silence us. 

First, you silence us, then you say that 'the percentage of false accusations is small'. Yeah, because you're silencing the falsely accused! Do you see the intellectual dishonesty in that?! 

Edited October 20, 2023 by mr_engineer

[Buck Edwards]

On 10/18/2023 at 9:59 AM, Emotionalmosquito said:

• Women tend to receive significantly lighter punishments for the same crimes 
• underaged boys can be forced to pay child support to the women of whom they’re groomed.
• men get treated egregiously unfairly in the family court system and in divorces 
• it’s much more acceptable to bash men than women in mainstream entertainment 
• Male victims of domestic violence aren’t taken as seriously 

Agree with these. Gym story sounds fishy. 

[lostingenosmaze]

 

@universe 

7 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

Try to see things from the perspective of those of us affected by these issues.

And there are genuine people affected by these issues:

 

 

[Javfly33]

19 hours ago, universe said:

Watch out for projections and egoic reactions. This is a place for personal development.

Don't you have bigger fish to fry?

 

Please read this thread.

 

With all due respect you guys are going too extreme on that "don't project". Obviously women are 100% saints are males always to blame. I know a guy that have never had problems getting laid with lots of women yet he bitches a lot about feminism. Speaking about it doesn't necessarily mean you are an angry incel...

[universe]

17 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

Though I’m also seriously trying to get this galaxy sized obstacle overcome. It has caused me deeper despair and hopelessness than I ever thought possible.

I understand that. And I'm here to offer you help. It's important that you first understand that society is not suddenly going to change or give you whatever you want. Nobody out there is going to do it for you. You have to do it yourself.

The question is, have you had enough?

Enough suffering already, so that you are ready to take a leap of faith, take action.

Even if that means you might get in conflict with the wrong girl and you very well might

17 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

lose his job if his boss sees, get ridiculed all over social media or at the very least be banned from his gym

And you will do it anyway. Because that is not enough to stop you.

You don't care, as long as you get what you want.

 

Wanting to indulge in victim mentality feels nice in the moment. I know. But this is not the right place for it.

I mean I'm pointing out victim mentality to you and you come back with another victim mentality on top of that.

This is not how this works here. Because it just doesn't help you.

 

We want you to succeed and Grow. That is why we have stricter rules. It's not to make you smaller and take your power away. It's because we know that it won't get you anywhere.

I know guys who have approached over 15.000 women in their lives. And they do just fine. Yes, people are fishing for views on TikTok a bit too much. Still, you are probably living in the best time ever right now to go out and talk to strangers and socialise.

You even said other people have decent girlfriends, so you acknowledge that people are somehow getting together. What more proof do you need that you can do it as well. If they can do it, you can do it. That's the only thing you need to know.

[Emotionalmosquito]

9 hours ago, universe said:

I know guys who have approached over 15.000 women in their lives. And they do just fine.

Good fucking god man. If I had that many women to practice on I would’ve never ended up in this hellscape. It’s like Leo repeatedly says, it’s absolutely critical to be in a bigger city if you want to learn game. How can people like us acquire enough money for that with zero skills? Moving out on your own for the first time to a much more expensive area is a monumental endeavor all on its own. So that stacks on top of everything else we would have to work through. They say the most realistic way to self improve is to take small but consistent steps in the right direction. How the hell is that going to work if we’re straight jacketed by an entire network of colossal challenges we’ll have to somehow break out of before any real results are seen? Especially considering the only tools by which we might break out of said challenges are a mind and spirit utterly broken by years of self destructive behavior? At what point do we have to admit that the battle is just simply far too difficult for one person to ever hope to triumph? 

I know I know. More counterproductive complaining. You’ll have to give me a break if I’m ever to come out of this misery. It won’t be easy to start thinking positively when victim mentality and bitterness is pretty much all I know anymore.

9 hours ago, universe said:

Even if that means you might get in conflict with the wrong girl and you very well might

 

9 hours ago, universe said:

And you will do it anyway. Because that is not enough to stop you.

Do you have any clue how badly false accusations fuck people up? We’re talking thousands and thousands of dollars of court costs and YEARS of legal bullshit plus a permanently damaged reputation and zero sympathy or support from the public. This will throw corrosive acid all over an already enfeebled will to live. Wouldn’t it be nice if the process could feel fun and freeing instead of like a game of Russian roulette? That’s why I fear women. I know not all of them will do that. But if I’m stranded in a wilderness rich in berries and I don’t have a wild edibles guide book, I’d be wise to not eat any since I can’t tell which are which. Maybe actualized forum can be the guide book? 

9 hours ago, universe said:

The question is, have you had enough?

Enough suffering already, so that you are ready to take a leap of faith, take action.

 

I’ve had enough for quite sometime. It did the opposite in case it wasn’t obvious. The unrelenting defeats have stripped every last shred of motivation to improve I once had and driven me to all kinds of addictions like nicotine, kratom, porn, laziness, overwatch and negative thinking. I’ve lost damn near twenty five pounds of muscle and 99 percent of my drive to do anything productive over the last couple years. It doesn’t help anything having a sub average iq and being a slow learner and mildly autistic to make matters even worse.

So that’s where I’m at. All I can do from here is use what minuscule amount of drive I may have left to try to get back on the horse. It will be a full blown miracle if any momentum is gained.

I don’t by any stretch of the imagination see how I’ll ever be able to move to a bigger city from this crippled position, so if it’s at all possible to get a just a few solid girlfriend experiences within my town of about 50-70k, that’s what I need.

9 hours ago, universe said:

I mean I'm pointing out victim mentality to you and you come back with another victim mentality on top of that.

I’ll work on that.

[mr_engineer]

@universe I think we need to have a conversation about red-flags in women who could potentially falsely accuse you. Because, as important as it is to go and approach women, you also have to protect yourself from the bad ones. 

It's like saying 'yes, you gotta eat if you're hungry, but you shouldn't eat something that is poisoned, no matter how hungry you are'. 

One big one is people-pleasing. Where they say 'yes' when they mean 'no', then they regret sleeping with you, they blame you for it and falsely accuse you. Another one is that she's a feminist who hates men. If she's a feminist, she believes that 'men are inherently privileged', so, in her mind, she can justify ruining a man's life just for the heck of it. 

You have to watch out for these red-flags in your dating-life/when you approach women. 

[Javfly33]

What kind of freak approaches 15000 women? Gtfo lol 

[Emotionalmosquito]

@mr_engineer you know I’ve heard you say that elsewhere and that really sucks if true and I bet it is. People pleaser girls are likely the easiest but the potential risk is way too dangerous. Maybe you could mitigate the danger by making it very clear with her that you do not want to make any advances unless she’s absolutely certain she’s comfortable with it? And pay very close attention to her face and body language while escalating and immediately back off if you sense even the slightest hesitation or discomfort on her? I think that should be common sense with any girl but especially on people pleasers for the reasons you’ve stated.

[mr_engineer]

10 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

@mr_engineer you know I’ve heard you say that elsewhere and that really sucks if true and I bet it is. People pleaser girls are likely the easiest but the potential risk is way too dangerous. Maybe you could mitigate the danger by making it very clear with her that you do not want to make any advances unless she’s absolutely certain she’s comfortable with it? And pay very close attention to her face and body language while escalating and immediately back off if you sense even the slightest hesitation or discomfort on her? I think that should be common sense with any girl but especially on people pleasers for the reasons you’ve stated.

With people-pleasers, you have one of two options. 

Either be a totally controlling narcissist who has zero feelings for her and who doesn't give a fuck about her. If she gives you BS, you tell her to shut up, you act abusive towards her. She'll placate you if you do that. Or, you say 'I'm not interested' and get the fuck away from her. 

If you date in a responsible way, where you allow her to express herself and you treat her with respect, she will stab you in the back. Because they have a lot of repressed anger for when they failed to stand up for themselves, so it'll come out on you. 

And don't even try to read the body-language/'signs'. This opens the door wide open for chameleon-like behavior on their part, which will hurt you in the future. 

[Optimized Life]

What you focus on becomes your reality. 

There are also many sweet feminine innocent undamaged girls out there, you just have to find them. 

Not all girls are whores and monsters, focus on what you want, don't focus on the bad it's not healthy for your mind. 

I can empazthze because I've gone down this mental hellhole before. It's not good.

You need to meet some innocent and gentle girls to provide counter evidence to your universal perception of all women.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Optimized Life

[Princess Arabia]

23 minutes ago, Optimized Life said:

What you focus on becomes your reality. 

There are also many sweet feminine innocent undamaged girls out there, you just have to find them. 

Not all girls are whores and monsters, focus on what you want, don't focus on the bad it's not healthy for your mind. 

I can empazthze because I've gone down this mental hellhole before. It's not good.

You need to meet some innocent and gentle girls to provide counter evidence to your universal perception of all women.

You can't see beyond your level of consciousness. 

[Princess Arabia]

On 10/21/2023 at 3:14 PM, Javfly33 said:

What kind of freak approaches 15000 women? Gtfo lol 

You sure that figure is correct. Maybe you meant 1,500. Even that's a lot.