What is Genius?

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@nuwu I hope you might be able to find healing.

 I m not really liking maths as an aesthetic, even if I conceptualize most of it simply by virtue of it being an intuitive reality.

 

[UnbornTao]

On 16/10/2023 at 10:57 PM, Inliytened1 said:

It's relative.   Like anything else.  If you ask science to quantify a genius - they will come up with some crazy statistic.   Like if your IQ is over 145.  But is the test that got there valid or did someone just say it was?  What is valid?  And even if it was, does that make someone with a 144 IQ not a genius?  You see how we have to be very careful here because relativity is at play.

Everyone is a potential genius. But possibility isn't probability. Someone is a genius precisely because it is so rare. If everyone was one, we'd take it for granted.

Every human does a damn good job at surviving, your mind is incredibly effective and seamless. The way your experience is created: perception, emotion, the distinction and worlds of self and other, language, context, mind, thinking, internal dialogue. There's a very deep fundamental genius to being a human. 

Of course, on the other hand, we can see people who aren't very bright, who lie, withdraw and ignore, aren't very self-aware, and are committed and attached to their ignorance.

Edited October 17, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Yeah, probably should've said everyone is a potential genius. But possibility isn't probability. Someone is a genius precisely because it is so rare. If everyone was one, we'd take it for granted.

I mean, the core of your experience. Every human does a damn good job at surviving, their minds are incredibly effective. Could you imagine? Creating perception, creating language, context, mind and thinking, the distinction self and other, etc. There's a very deep fundamental genius to being a human. 

Of course, on the other hand, we can see people who aren't very bright, who lie, withdraw and ignore, and aren't very self-aware, and are committed and attached to their ignorance.

Ignorance is a display of genius. Self-Deception is literally genius. If it wasn't it would be easy to overcome.

The same self-deception that runs those who deem ignorant, is the same that runs your life. Do you know how much intelligence is required to bullshit yourself so thoroughly to make you a fool? Try using logic to free someone of ignorance and you will realize all they have to do is NOT use logic. They can also demonize you, and find some way to derail the conversation in the hopes that you bite and fall for it. Ignorant people are VERY smart and have more tools at their disposal because you can create infinite lies, but the truth is the truth. 

Your definition of genius is too conventional which will make you underestimate the power of stupidity. Stupidity is so powerful, it literally creates WORLD WAR. Stupidity is a form of genius.

 

[UnbornTao]

On 17/10/2023 at 0:44 AM, Razard86 said:

Ignorance is a display of genius. Self-Deception is literally genius. If it wasn't it would be easy to overcome.

The same self-deception that runs those who deem ignorant, is the same that runs your life. Do you know how much intelligence is required to bullshit yourself so thoroughly to make you a fool? Try using logic to free someone of ignorance and you will realize all they have to do is NOT use logic. They can also demonize you, and find some way to derail the conversation in the hopes that you bite and fall for it. Ignorant people are VERY smart and have more tools at their disposal because you can create infinite lies, but the truth is the truth. 

Your definition of genius is too conventional which will make you underestimate the power of stupidity. Stupidity is so powerful, it literally creates WORLD WAR. Stupidity is a form of genius.

Stupidity is unconscious. It is lying and ignoring, not being intelligent.

I was hinting at the genius of existence and creation, and then mentioned a superficial idea about it.

Edited October 18, 2023 by UnbornTao

[vibv]

My take on genius: If your idea isn't ridiculed by a majority of people, then it's not advanced enough.

[Sugarcoat]

16 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

With certain things it just comes to fhem.  It's a gift.  But no one is a genius in every aspect of being.  Because they are finite.  A genius is also having the humility to turn to someone who may know more in another area where they know less.  In @Danioover9000's definition of genius there was also the word wisdom.

yea for sure, the mind that turns to itself is one type of genius just like the math genius but there seems to be a correlation like quite a bit of the major geniuses were quite “mystic” themselves, if I am not wrong , so this turning inward thing is major 

Edited October 17, 2023 by Sugarcoat

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

yea for sure, the mind that turns to itself is one type of genius just like the math genius but there seems to be a correlation like quite a bit of the major geniuses were quite “mystic” themselves, if I am not wrong , so this turning inward thing is major 

More than you know.  You realize that's all there is...is inside.   

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

More than you know.  You realize that's all there is...is inside.   

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[Danioover9000]

@AerisVahnEphelia

19 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Danioover9000 you don't need to be a genius to reckon one.

But then again it's all relative to you vs something else.

Which are both self confused labels for the ego to play in the garden.

   Do you mean recognize instead of reckon?

   I partly agree, but in @Razard86's logical frame, everyone's a genius, including you and me, therefore we'd recognize a genius because it takes a genius to know a genius. However, what if you and I are not geniuses? What if his logic is false? What is the cost of overgeneralizing the word 'genius' and strip it of it's definition? What is it's use then to other people who recognize 'genius' but the word 'genius' is so over corrupt and polluted with other meanings that we loss the defined meanings? So, my argument and logical frame sides with careful definitions of terminologies in context, so we don't lose the meanings of the words we use.

   The main problem with trying to make a word self referential, and refuse to define it, for example what is a man, and the word 'man' mean, but we minus every reference, every feature of 'man', and we don't point to objects that are common patterns of 'man' and the other can just claim 'a man is a man onto itself'? We'd end up with infinite regress of that word, as it keeps self referencing itself, leading to infinite regress, which leads to meaninglessness of the term used. So what's the point of strictly defining terms? What's the point of mathematics and other S.T.E.M fields without strict definitions for their terminologies? So definitions impart usage and some usefulness of words communicated to others.

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

More than you know.  You realize that's all there is...is inside.   

Or it's all outside. But it is both and neither.

[Carl-Richard]

16 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Stupidity is a form of genius.

That is why I generally don't read your posts.

[Princess Arabia]

17 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

"Sorry I wrote such a long letter, I didn't have the time to write a short one."

I get the sense you write too much sometimes when it could've been expressed in fewer words. I guess I have a bias for simplified, short writing.

You know, I'm thankful for your contributions to the forum. Keep it up!

I see your point, because this is not a lecture hall nor a place to write short novels; but if everyone was to make comments that were only a couple of sentences long, the forum wouldn't be diverse in that aspect. It's diverse in the kinds of people, topics and intellectual levels. It's also diverse in the way we communicate. Some longer some shorter posts. Knowing when to, or not, depending on what it takes to convey your point across is the difference between the two.

He speaks with wisdom and would rather read his long posts than someone's short post that's not saying anything of value. That's also a bias of mine, but I understand that, and would not say to the person making the short post with no value, please make them longer and of value. Even me making this comment, opposing your view is a bias and could be seen and taken as a difference in opinion. So, all around there are differences, differences everywhere as well as similarities. Our ability to embrace the differences is how we begin to open our hearts and are able to appreciate the diversities amongst us as humans in all walks of life.

My posts can sometimes be long too, and I'm aware of that, but sometimes they are short, also somewhere in-between. So, I can go both ways depending on what i'm trying to communicate. I know someone on here whose post almost never exceeds three or four words and barely makes it to a sentence, ALWAYS, and someone like, Water by the River, who can write a book sometimes. Whose more appropriate. Depending on whose reading. We are all somewhere in between and that's the beauty of diversity. If it was a written rule to always keep posts short with only a few sentences then, to me, that would be a different story.  My intention for writing this is just to show that we all express ourselves in different ways at different times and that is part of our uniqueness. 

[gettoefl]

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. ~Einstein 

genius is how little of my time you take to advance my consciousness

it's incisive it's elegant it's game-changing

genius sees the old as never seen before

notice there is no objective genius, it is only how well others receive your sharing

so genius isn't important as it doesn't define you it defines the blindness of those around you who accord you this moniker

so don't get puffed up, sherlock ?

[Danioover9000]

@gettoefl

30 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. ~Einstein 

genius is how little of my time you take to advance my consciousness

it's incisive it's elegant it's game-changing

genius sees the old as never seen before

notice there is no objective genius, it is only how well others receive your sharing

so genius isn't important as it doesn't define you it defines the blindness of those around you who accord you this moniker

so don't get puffed up, sherlock ?

…what?

[gettoefl]

13 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@gettoefl

…what?

tldr genius is seeing what no one else does

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@gettoefl by this very definition I m 100% straight genius.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. ~Einstein 

genius is how little of my time you take to advance my consciousness

it's incisive it's elegant it's game-changing

genius sees the old as never seen before

notice there is no objective genius, it is only how well others receive your sharing

so genius isn't important as it doesn't define you it defines the blindness of those around you who accord you this moniker

so don't get puffed up, sherlock ?

I see the genius in these statements.

[UnbornTao]

@Princess Arabia Agree. I'm pointing out an annoyance of mine, in the end.

Hey, become a genius yourself, then you can tell us what that's like.  

Edited October 18, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

@Princess Arabia Absolutely agree. I realized that in the end I was just pointing out an annoyance of mine. 

Hey, the best thing to do is to become a genius yourself, then we can say what that's like.  

I noticed that in the end; and I basically left the comment to show others that might feel the same way you did in the beginning before you thought it through using your compassionate side. That's shows maturity on your part. 

[Razard86]

35 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I see the genius in these statements.

Let's see if we can make him arrogant by letting him know how much of a genius he is....cause I love what he posts.

Edited October 17, 2023 by Razard86