The Falling Birth Rate Crisis in 1st World Countries is Good

[jimwell]

 

Yes, it's paradoxical. Humans with fewer resources and lower intelligence reproduce more than those with higher intelligence and more resources.

But from the creator's or evolution's perspective, it might be the most effective strategy. Civilizations require a workforce composed of individuals with lower intelligence for tasks such as bricklaying, street sweeping, trimming excess plastic from slippers (factory jobs), delivering orders or newspapers, collecting and disposing of garbage, and so on. Therefore, it's sensible for humans with lower intelligence and fewer resources to have children who will also grow up with those characteristics. This ensures that these individuals, though less intelligent, can fulfill essential and needed roles in society.

I didn't say it with malice. I'm just saying it for what it is. In fact, I'm grateful that there are billions of humans who are naturally inclined to perform these roles every day. I can't handle such jobs from Monday to Friday for years. People with higher intelligence and superior senses tend to appreciate high-level beauty, creativity, and variety.

I'm a from third world country. But I have lived in Japan, a first world country. I can clearly see the difference in mindset and behaviors between these countries. Humans in my home country are carefree, happy go lucky, and live in the moment. They don't invest much time in planning to save money for themselves or their future children. They simply eat, work, fuck to have kids, and then repeat even if they starve. It's common for married couples to have more than 5 kids. 30 years ago, having 10 kids was common. In this context, not having kids is often considered a social disgrace.

Japanese are very conscientious, organized, and anxious. They tend to have more savings compared to Americans, let alone individuals from third-world countries. However, they often hesitate to have children because they feel their savings are insufficient. Despite being meticulous planners, they frequently experience a sense of financial and emotional insufficiency when it comes to having kids; actually, when it comes to almost everything. This mindset contributes to the country's low birth rates. This perceived financial and emotional insufficiency is shared by Koreans.

I have observed that people in first-world countries or those with higher intelligence often prioritize their personal ambitions and well-being over having kids, making parenthood a secondary consideration.

I believe that the modern lifestyle powered by industrialization and capitalism has become distorted and increasingly disconnected from a healthy way of living. Many wage slaves stay inside a concrete box for at least 8 hours, 5 days a week. When they return home, they stay inside another concrete box for a few hours more, sitting and watching tv. Their commutes to work or the grocery store often involve traveling inside steel boxes. This lifestyle is twisted and disconnected from the fundamental needs of the human body. The human body needs regular walking, running, and sunlight. It also needs frequent, direct contact with nature and access to fresh air.

I don't have concrete evidence but I'm sure this twisted lifestyle has a negative effect on mental-emotional, physical, and reproductive health. It also has a negative effect on masculinity. No wonder men from 1st world countries are generally less masculine than men from 3rd world countries. The twisted lifestyle and its negative effects directly (or indirectly depending on how you look at it) affect sexual desire and identity, fertility, and birth rates.  

Everybody thinks the low birth rates in many 1st world countries is a problem which must be rectified.   I don't see it that way. I think it's a good thing. There are already too many humans in the world. If a population of 500 million or even 100 million is not enough to sustain the economy, then we know that the economic system and its subsystems are the problems, not the size of the population. It's clear what needs to be rectified.  

[An young being]

3 hours ago, jimwell said:

  Everybody thinks the low birth rates in many 1st world countries is a problem which must be rectified.   I don't see it that way. I think it's a good thing. There are already too many humans in the world. If a population of 500 million or even 100 million is not enough to sustain the economy, then we know that the economic system and its subsystems are the problems, not the size of the population. It's clear what needs to be rectified.  

True. AI and machines can easily replace large number of human beings in the future. It will also allow families to have less financial burden and more free time. If safe genetic technologies become more developed that allows better development of creativity and intelligence traits, it would solve many problems. I believe that more than two children is more of a burden than joy for families, especially those living in poverty or financial crisis.

[jimwell]

17 hours ago, An young being said:

True. AI and machines can easily replace large number of human beings in the future. It will also allow families to have less financial burden and more free time.

AI is an extraordinary gift from God to humans. With the correct vision and regulations, AI will significantly transform the world from hellish to heavenly. The positive impacts of AI are all-encompassing; from the reduction of wage slavery to improvement in governmental functions, judicial systems, food and water supply, housing, physical health, art, innovation, technology, mental-emotional satisfaction, spirituality, and more. AI is a direct expression of God's goodness.  

Edited October 16, 2023 by jimwell
clarified it a bit

[Danioover9000]

@jimwell

On 15/10/2023 at 11:19 AM, jimwell said:

 

Yes, it's paradoxical. Humans with fewer resources and lower intelligence reproduce more than those with higher intelligence and more resources.

But from the creator's or evolution's perspective, it might be the most effective strategy. Civilizations require a workforce composed of individuals with lower intelligence for tasks such as bricklaying, street sweeping, trimming excess plastic from slippers (factory jobs), delivering orders or newspapers, collecting and disposing of garbage, and so on. Therefore, it's sensible for humans with lower intelligence and fewer resources to have children who will also grow up with those characteristics. This ensures that these individuals, though less intelligent, can fulfill essential and needed roles in society.

I didn't say it with malice. I'm just saying it for what it is. In fact, I'm grateful that there are billions of humans who are naturally inclined to perform these roles every day. I can't handle such jobs from Monday to Friday for years. People with higher intelligence and superior senses tend to appreciate high-level beauty, creativity, and variety.

I'm a from third world country. But I have lived in Japan, a first world country. I can clearly see the difference in mindset and behaviors between these countries. Humans in my home country are carefree, happy go lucky, and live in the moment. They don't invest much time in planning to save money for themselves or their future children. They simply eat, work, fuck to have kids, and then repeat even if they starve. It's common for married couples to have more than 5 kids. 30 years ago, having 10 kids was common. In this context, not having kids is often considered a social disgrace.

Japanese are very conscientious, organized, and anxious. They tend to have more savings compared to Americans, let alone individuals from third-world countries. However, they often hesitate to have children because they feel their savings are insufficient. Despite being meticulous planners, they frequently experience a sense of financial and emotional insufficiency when it comes to having kids; actually, when it comes to almost everything. This mindset contributes to the country's low birth rates. This perceived financial and emotional insufficiency is shared by Koreans.

I have observed that people in first-world countries or those with higher intelligence often prioritize their personal ambitions and well-being over having kids, making parenthood a secondary consideration.

I believe that the modern lifestyle powered by industrialization and capitalism has become distorted and increasingly disconnected from a healthy way of living. Many wage slaves stay inside a concrete box for at least 8 hours, 5 days a week. When they return home, they stay inside another concrete box for a few hours more, sitting and watching tv. Their commutes to work or the grocery store often involve traveling inside steel boxes. This lifestyle is twisted and disconnected from the fundamental needs of the human body. The human body needs regular walking, running, and sunlight. It also needs frequent, direct contact with nature and access to fresh air.

I don't have concrete evidence but I'm sure this twisted lifestyle has a negative effect on mental-emotional, physical, and reproductive health. It also has a negative effect on masculinity. No wonder men from 1st world countries are generally less masculine than men from 3rd world countries. The twisted lifestyle and its negative effects directly (or indirectly depending on how you look at it) affect sexual desire and identity, fertility, and birth rates.  

Everybody thinks the low birth rates in many 1st world countries is a problem which must be rectified.   I don't see it that way. I think it's a good thing. There are already too many humans in the world. If a population of 500 million or even 100 million is not enough to sustain the economy, then we know that the economic system and its subsystems are the problems, not the size of the population. It's clear what needs to be rectified.  

   Partly the birth crisis happening in Japan is due to Feminism and increasing egalitarianism for women, which decreases the traditional female roles of the household. A shift away from motherhood and traditional female roles, and more towards the average young female population geating to career goals could be why. In fact there's data out there to show when this decrease started, and I bet it's after America had won the Pacific war,but imparted onto Japan it's Neoliberalism ideology, egalitarianism and western values.

   Also, birth rate decreases is not limited to Japan, but the majority of westernized countries have those rates, again due to egalitarianism and feminism, and to too much sexual liberation, which made marriages less significant as a sacred rite of coupling, but also the chase to date and have too much sex devalues the bonding. Another factor is the erosion of the nuclear family unit, or intaked family homes. 

[Danioover9000]

@An young being

On 15/10/2023 at 2:46 PM, An young being said:

True. AI and machines can easily replace large number of human beings in the future. It will also allow families to have less financial burden and more free time. If safe genetic technologies become more developed that allows better development of creativity and intelligence traits, it would solve many problems. I believe that more than two children is more of a burden than joy for families, especially those living in poverty or financial crisis.

   How would A.I and genetic technologies solve social issues such as decreases of intaked households and mitigate single parent household, increasing divorce rates and difficulties in getting married and having a family partly due to egalitarianism and feminism run amok?

   IMO, your solution solves very little, 1% of the birthrate crisis. It's like you're only cutting the leaves of a weed and not going to the root, wrapping around a hand going gang green. That's the western world, and Neoliberalism and capitalism, with these progressives and socialists, deep in denial os the systemic issues nd developmental factors that contribute to the birthrate decline.

[An young being]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@An young being

   How would A.I and genetic technologies solve social issues such as decreases of intaked households and mitigate single parent household, increasing divorce rates and difficulties in getting married and having a family partly due to egalitarianism and feminism run amok?

   IMO, your solution solves very little, 1% of the birthrate crisis. It's like you're only cutting the leaves of a weed and not going to the root, wrapping around a hand going gang green. That's the western world, and Neoliberalism and capitalism, with these progressives and socialists, deep in denial os the systemic issues nd developmental factors that contribute to the birthrate decline.

Sudden or faster birth rate declines definitely creates tonne load of problems atleast in the short term, especially for countries where birth rate is already low. So, the key is to implement policies and awareness programmes that would keep a healthy birth rate, but making sure that it doesn't go beyond the limits. I was suggesting how AI could complement the declining birth rate and how developing but highly populated nations could benefit from a lower birth rate. I saw that he mentioned he was from a third world country, so I complemented those points. I am not aware of the problems faced in developed nations due to lower birth rate.

Edited October 20, 2023 by An young being

[Ninja_pig]

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If a population of 500 million or even 100 million is not enough to sustain the economy, then we know that the economic system and its subsystems are the problems, not the size of the population. It's clear what needs to be rectified.  

I agree with your point to a large degree. Many people are thinking that the declining birthrate is a major problem because the economies of most 1st world countries are based on growth. Since a declining population inevitably means less growth, the common consensus is that our economy will not work correctly if we allow the population decline to continue. Your example of Japan disproves this worry by showing that a declining population can still support a stable economy. The population of Japan has been declining since 1980, but their GDP has been relatively stable since 1995. 

The increase in egalitarianism and shifting of values away from the nuclear family model across the western world (Japan is western economically and governmentally speaking) has caused some other problems though. The economy has become more individual centric and the job market in general has become more focused on worker merit to salary ratio rather than stability. Some examples of this happening are the widespread abolition of worker unions and expectations for worker compensation, as well as the increased turnover rate across the board for jobs in every sector (at least in the United States). This has led to an overall increase of worker productivity while keeping wages stagnant. In Japan, the poverty rate has risen from 13% in 1980 to 16% in 2012, and was at 15% in 2021. This trend seems like it will continue, and wealth inequality will also continue to increase across the developed world as our society becomes more individualistic. Many other factors point to the consolidation of wealth to a few top earners in the majority of 1st world countries.

This is the real problem that stems from our shifting in values, not the population decline. It can be argued that the quality of life for the average person in countries such as Japan is actually decreasing at the moment. As the consolidation of wealth continues, it will either reach an equilibrium point or force a big change in societal structure, and I think the ladder will happen. 

On 10/16/2023 at 1:41 AM, jimwell said:

AI is an extraordinary gift from God to humans. With the correct vision and regulations, AI will significantly transform the world from hellish to heavenly. The positive impacts of AI are all-encompassing; from the reduction of wage slavery to improvement in governmental functions, judicial systems, food and water supply, housing, physical health, art, innovation, technology, mental-emotional satisfaction, spirituality, and more. AI is a direct expression of God's goodness.  

This is why I'm becoming a machine learning engineer 

I don't think that AI is quite the magic pill that you think it will be though. The problems I stated above will be actually exacerbated by the advent of AI. Also, AI has a LONG way to go before it brings the sweeping changes that everyone is predicting, but I have faith it will get there eventually. The fact is that AI is merely a powerful tool that will have to be wielded by us humans. As extraordinary as it is, I believe that AI will never be a self sufficient lifeform. This is a thought that I have to flesh out more later. 

Either way, as long as there are humans, there will be the human condition. AI may improve the world in many ways, but it won't make the world perfect. Nature ensures that our lives will never be completely hellish or heavenly, but somewhere in between.

[Danioover9000]

@An young being

6 hours ago, An young being said:

Sudden or faster birth rate declines definitely creates tonne load of problems atleast in the short term, especially for countries where birth rate is already low. So, the key is to implement policies and awareness programmes that would keep a healthy birth rate, but making sure that it doesn't go beyond the limits. I was suggesting how AI could complement the declining birth rate and how developing but highly populated nations could benefit from a lower birth rate. I saw that he mentioned he was from a third world country, so I complemented those points. I am not aware of the problems faced in developed nations due to lower birth rate.

   How is a nation/country/society benefiting from lower birth rates? Japan if I remember the numbers correctly, are not producing fast enough to meet the threshold of replacement numbers in Japan for it's citizens, it's significantly too low for replacements. The ramifications for much lower birth rates is much lower populations, which effects parts of society in a negative ways. How is your solution of A.I and genetics technologies going to help Japan for instance, never mind the third world countries? Again, this isn't limited to Japan, but all other western countries are facing low birth rates. Even Russia is facing this same issue that their Russian citizens are not reproducing fast enough to sustain Russia in the future

   For example, if your specific policy for A.I technology is 3d pornography, well that feeds into the unhealthy hentai/doujinshi markets of the anime and manga industry, which just encourages men and women to remain single longer, and discourages men and women marrying as the incentives for sexual release is met with your 3d hyper stimulating A.I technology. Another example is your genetics technology solution, maybe C.R.I.S.P.R is what your referring to? In that instance, what genes would you select for Japan's population? How would you fund these solutions? How would you convince and persuade the older and Gen Z generation of Japan to take your policies seriously? What if you need state wide support from the government, but due to the lower birth rates you don't have enough people to test and trial out your solutions? What if you encounter many difficulties due to other developmental factors?

[Danioover9000]

@Ninja_pig

7 hours ago, Ninja_pig said:

I agree with your point to a large degree. Many people are thinking that the declining birthrate is a major problem because the economies of most 1st world countries are based on growth. Since a declining population inevitably means less growth, the common consensus is that our economy will not work correctly if we allow the population decline to continue. Your example of Japan disproves this worry by showing that a declining population can still support a stable economy. The population of Japan has been declining since 1980, but their GDP has been relatively stable since 1995. 

The increase in egalitarianism and shifting of values away from the nuclear family model across the western world (Japan is western economically and governmentally speaking) has caused some other problems though. The economy has become more individual centric and the job market in general has become more focused on worker merit to salary ratio rather than stability. Some examples of this happening are the widespread abolition of worker unions and expectations for worker compensation, as well as the increased turnover rate across the board for jobs in every sector (at least in the United States). This has led to an overall increase of worker productivity while keeping wages stagnant. In Japan, the poverty rate has risen from 13% in 1980 to 16% in 2012, and was at 15% in 2021. This trend seems like it will continue, and wealth inequality will also continue to increase across the developed world as our society becomes more individualistic. Many other factors point to the consolidation of wealth to a few top earners in the majority of 1st world countries.

This is the real problem that stems from our shifting in values, not the population decline. It can be argued that the quality of life for the average person in countries such as Japan is actually decreasing at the moment. As the consolidation of wealth continues, it will either reach an equilibrium point or force a big change in societal structure, and I think the ladder will happen. 

This is why I'm becoming a machine learning engineer 

I don't think that AI is quite the magic pill that you think it will be though. The problems I stated above will be actually exacerbated by the advent of AI. Also, AI has a LONG way to go before it brings the sweeping changes that everyone is predicting, but I have faith it will get there eventually. The fact is that AI is merely a powerful tool that will have to be wielded by us humans. As extraordinary as it is, I believe that AI will never be a self sufficient lifeform. This is a thought that I have to flesh out more later. 

Either way, as long as there are humans, there will be the human condition. AI may improve the world in many ways, but it won't make the world perfect. Nature ensures that our lives will never be completely hellish or heavenly, but somewhere in between.

   I partly agree that Japan may be an outlier of lowest birthrates even /=/ destabilizing economy, although in this case we'll need to know more about how the westernized economy within Japan is handled and done versus Russia's economy, or the USA's capitalistic economy is handled, basically how one culture and economy in comparison/contrast to another culture's handling.

   While I still think feminism and egalitarianism, and neoliberalism brought over by America and the west has westernized Japan, again not by choice(look at the history of WW2 and the Pacific war, and how Japan had to unconditionally surrender to America or face existential annihilation by nuclear bombs, that America chose to use because the military estimated there would be a huge loss of life if they proceeded with traditional invasions into Japan), I'll agree partly that the wealth inequality and limitations of capitalism and neoliberalism as individualism increases will also play a factor in Japan's increasing homelessness problem, but also it's lowering birth rates as women become more westernized and are careers orientated and more individualistic.

   I also agree that A.I programs and technologies are not the only solutions to this situation, and expecting this tech to help all of humanity is foolish thinking, it's all a grotesque theoretical fantasy to think that what the big tech companies will do is going to improve any of our social systemic issues, because they are not careful to consider other developmental factors negatively effected.

[Danioover9000]

@jimwell

On 2023-10-16 at 8:41 AM, jimwell said:

AI is an extraordinary gift from God to humans. With the correct vision and regulations, AI will significantly transform the world from hellish to heavenly. The positive impacts of AI are all-encompassing; from the reduction of wage slavery to improvement in governmental functions, judicial systems, food and water supply, housing, physical health, art, innovation, technology, mental-emotional satisfaction, spirituality, and more. AI is a direct expression of God's goodness.  

   I don't think this is a realistic stance to view A.I technology. It's still too early to celebrate, and quite frankly A.I technology is just one of many possible solutions to solving systemic issues in society, and addressing problem spaces that have multifaceted origins in other developmental factors and fields of life and society, values systems, cognitive biases and moral frameworks, personality types/traits and psychological developments, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by culture, family upbringing, environment, mainstream/alternative media sources, tv programs, advertising, news paper, radio, social media sites with algorithms and A.I that hyper curate content to user biases creating echo chambers of ideology, addictive digital formats that prey on attention span which decreases attention spans leading to ADD/ADHD increase as well as higher narcissism, sociopathy and psychopathy mindsets towards other people and worlds, which all creates and maintains rivalrous relationships with people and the world. 

[DocWatts]

While a drop in birth rates isn't necessarily a problem, it becomes one when it happens over a short period of time. This is because a sudden drop in birth rates end up creating a very imbalanced age distribution in a society, where you have lots of elderly people who rely disproportionately on social support programs (such as public health care), who can't work. Which puts a tremendous burden on the working age population to support this segment of society.

Additionally, this can also lead to a situation where a society effectively ends up as a geritocracy, with young and middle aged people struggling to break into positions of leadership and power that have been monopolized by an out of touch older generation.

Edited October 20, 2023 by DocWatts

[An young being]

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@An young being

   How is a nation/country/society benefiting from lower birth rates? Japan if I remember the numbers correctly, are not producing fast enough to meet the threshold of replacement numbers in Japan for it's citizens, it's significantly too low for replacements. The ramifications for much lower birth rates is much lower populations, which effects parts of society in a negative ways. 

Please read the post again. I acknowledged that countries with very low birth rates need to bring it back to normal or above average levels.

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

How is your solution of A.I and genetics technologies going to help Japan for instance, never mind the third world countries? Again, this isn't limited to Japan, but all other western countries are facing low birth rates. Even Russia is facing this same issue that their Russian citizens are not reproducing fast enough to sustain Russia in the future

They are not going to help increase the birth rate, but can solve some of the problems ( not all) arising due to lower birth rates. This may not be possible with current technologies, but technologies are rapidly evolving that could help replace labour and repetitive work with machines, which most humans are presently doing. This mainly solves the economic growth problem.

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

For example, if your specific policy for A.I technology is 3d pornography, well that feeds into the unhealthy hentai/doujinshi markets of the anime and manga industry, which just encourages men and women to remain single longer, and discourages men and women marrying as the incentives for sexual release is met with your 3d hyper stimulating A.I technology. Another example is your genetics technology solution, maybe C.R.I.S.P.R is what your referring to? In that instance, what genes would you select for Japan's population? How would you fund these solutions? How would you convince and persuade the older and Gen Z generation of Japan to take your policies seriously? What if you need state wide support from the government, but due to the lower birth rates you don't have enough people to test and trial out your solutions? What if you encounter many difficulties due to other developmental factors?

I am not talking about AI technologies that make humans unproductive or more entertaining. You could have an AI designed even to murder people or steal things, I am not talking about that. AI revolution is unavoidable. Would you tell smart phones are useless and unnecessary  simply because they allow you to view pornography? I am talking about AIs in job sector which could replace boring and meticulous jobs and allow humans to pursue more creativitely rewarding jobs. Gene technologies at present are of no use now, it would take decades to arrive at what I am taking about. Also, regarding tests and trials, the whole world will be available with improvements in globalisation policies and not restricted to specific countries, especially in the future. And once again, I acknowledge that lower birth rates in first world countries is a problem to be solved.

Now let's come to third world countries like India and Africa, which I have more experience with, and which I was talking about mainly. They have the highest fertility/population growth rates in the world. This would seem like a good thing for economy, more people means more labour force, right? But here's what happens if it continues at the same rate.

1. These countries are ridden by poverty. Every extra child in a family puts extra pressure to the parents. They will be forced to have lower quality education, lower quality of life etc.

2. Improvement in economy through increased population doesn't mean improvement in quality of life. More population means lesser GDP per capita. Also, many third world countries are affected by corruption, so there is no guarantee that the money comes back to the welfare of the society and could widen the inequality gap.

3. As I told earlier, AI could soon replace repetitive and laborous jobs, which would increase unemployment rates, which are already low in these countries

[Danioover9000]

@DocWatts

52 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

While a drop in birth rates isn't necessarily a problem, it becomes one when it happens over a short period of time. This is because a sudden drop in birth rates end up creating a very imbalanced age distribution in a society, where you have lots of elderly people who rely disproportionately on social support programs (such as public health care), who can't work. Which puts a tremendous burden on the working age population to support this segment of society.

Additionally, this can also lead to a situation where a society effectively ends up as a geritocracy, with young and middle aged people struggling to break into positions of leadership and power that have been monopolized by an out of touch older generation.

   Thanks for your additional points. Yes a sudden drop in birth rates, say within 20 years, can create imbalances in age distribution in societies. I do think part of this problem comes from Neoliberalism, egalitarianism and feminism run amok. We actually need smaller, more limited democracies at this point if we can't replenish our numbers in the future.

[Danioover9000]

@An young being

37 minutes ago, An young being said:

Please read the post again. I acknowledged that countries with very low birth rates need to bring it back to normal or above average levels.

They are not going to help increase the birth rate, but can solve some of the problems ( not all) arising due to lower birth rates. This may not be possible with current technologies, but technologies are rapidly evolving that could help replace labour and repetitive work with machines, which most humans are presently doing. This mainly solves the economic growth problem.

I am not talking about AI technologies that make humans unproductive or more entertaining. You could have an AI designed even to murder people or steal things, I am not talking about that. AI revolution is unavoidable. Would you tell smart phones are useless and unnecessary  simply because they allow you to view pornography? I am talking about AIs in job sector which could replace boring and meticulous jobs and allow humans to pursue more creativitely rewarding jobs. Gene technologies at present are of no use now, it would take decades to arrive at what I am taking about. Also, regarding tests and trials, the whole world will be available with improvements in globalisation policies and not restricted to specific countries, especially in the future. And once again, I acknowledge that lower birth rates in first world countries is a problem to be solved.

Now let's come to third world countries like India and Africa, which I have more experience with, and which I was talking about mainly. They have the highest fertility/population growth rates in the world. This would seem like a good thing for economy, more people means more labour force, right? But here's what happens if it continues at the same rate.

1. These countries are ridden by poverty. Every extra child in a family puts extra pressure to the parents. They will be forced to have lower quality education, lower quality of life etc.

2. Improvement in economy through increased population doesn't mean improvement in quality of life. More population means lesser GDP per capita. Also, many third world countries are affected by corruption, so there is no guarantee that the money comes back to the welfare of the society and could widen the inequality gap.

3. As I told earlier, AI could soon replace repetitive and laborous jobs, which would increase unemployment rates, which are already low in these countries

   How does technologies that rapidly replace human labor jobs(AKA automation and A.I enhanced automation) solve for economic growth problems? How is this an argument for solving the growing economic problems, when the majority are caused by feminism, egalitarianism, and neoliberalism/capitalism run amok, not just in Japan but in the majority of the westernized countries? Take South Korea for example, already westernized by America, yet it too is also facing lower birthrates due to higher divorces, feminism, egalitarianism and neoliberalism run amok, meanwhile to the North a totalitarianism based regime, North Korea, have higher birthrates meeting it's threshold replacement rates for it's society, which can easily replace manpower and soldier units for it's own military? How does your A.I tech and genes solution solve for South Korea's lowering birthrates? By increasing automation and A.I enhanced automation, you increase unemployment rates due to employers not needing human resources for labor jobs, especially men, which increases unemployment rates and homelessness rates. IQ distribution is a real metric as a lot of those labor roles are filled by people with lower IQ ranges, so when you implement your solution, you'll also be increasing labor shortages and job sector shortages that require those labor jobs by lower IQ ranged people, plus those lower IQ ranged people cannot climb the corporate ladder or do those knowledge based intensive jobs like S.T.E.M related jobs or office worker jobs or even IT tech jobs. Due to this oversight of yours you'll also have to account for training and educating those with lower IQ ranges, whilst housing them somehow in the meantime. This and many other developmental factors involved makes your solution tricky to implement without causing other problems, and even contributing to the birthrate problems as well.

   Also, I only brought up 3d A.I enhanced pornography, not murdering and stealing humans, you made that claim. The reason why I brought up A.I enhanced pornography is that due to the sexual liberation movement, Feminism, egalitarianism, western democracy, multiculturalism, and neoliberalism, the dating and sex market will adopt your A.I solution and actually worsen the birthrates because it discourages men from pursuing long term relationships and increase the single life and individualism per men/women, which worsens the issue with birthrates in first world democracies, so in a twisted sense your solution also partly adds to the birthrate crisis as people will become more sexualized and perverted by 3d enhanced A.I pornography, because the hyper stimuli and novel seeking and dopamine chasing of the brains of young men and women will cause them to develop negative self image issues, increases in narcissism, neuroticism, sociopathy and psychopathic traits due to social media platforms and sites that prey on the minds of the consumers, to arrest and prolong their exposure to contents hyper curated by algorithms to feed and take as much of that user's time, energy and attention span for more clicks and views and scroll time.

   Addressing the third world countries, your A.I solution might be far worse for these countries, because again your A.I enhanced automation will disturb the employment to unemployment rates for these third world countries as these countries rely even more on labor intensive jobs to feed themselves and their families. Again this seems like it's traced back to neoliberalism, egalitarianism and feminism viewing these third world countries in this modernist, secularist, materialist, hyper individualist way from America. It may be part of predatory capitalism run amok as well. I would propose smaller democracies even there, with smaller governments geared more to capitalism pursuit, with which America doesn't regulate as much, and even China/Russia's economic interest should be limited as well, to allow those third world countries to sort themselves out. Eventually the patriarchy in those third world countries will reorder itself for it's own survival, which then corrects the excess of birthrates there. Last thing to do is to encourage these third world countries to allow their citizens to leave and migrate away from their developing countries to pursue a multiculturalism and egalitarianism from America which is faulty at best, deceptive at worst. 

[Juan]

Now that’s a classic @Danioover9000’s Star Wars title screen opening! 

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

27 minutes ago, Juan said:

Now that’s a classic @Danioover9000’s Star Wars title screen opening! 

   Anything to justify your single status and tinder dating Juan.

   Also, to clarify to those reading and interested, this is my position and argument simplified: Lower birthrates in Japan and around the western world caused by Feminism, egalitarianism, and neoliberalism run amok, plus moral degradation of the family unit due to socialism and progressivism of the online world and too much sexual liberation. My offer is limited democracies, and an internet government for god's sake, and a return to more conservative values, norms, and back to patriarchy and some form of Republicanism. Bring back some normalcy, human decency and commonsense and commonplace in the world. 

[Juan]

21 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Anything to justify your single status and tinder dating Juan.

You don’t know that. 

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

14 minutes ago, Juan said:

You don’t know that. 

   I know enough, given how much you keep pestering me in the forum, trying to troll and derail.

[DocWatts]

The causes of plummeting birth rates in places like South Korea and Japan are well known: a famously dysfunctional work culture where people are expected to work an insane number of hours every week at thier jobs, and a lack of societal support and assistance for people who want to start families.

The latter is also very much an issue in places like the US - millennials and zoomers can thank the baby boomers for being the generation that pulled the ladder up after them. Lots of people in my generation would be more amenable to having kids if it were actually affordable to do so. Just a personal anecdote so take it with a grain of salt, but of the people I know who are under 40, the only ones that are actually having kids are couples who are affluent.

These are solvable issues, but beyond just getting legislating sensible policies, in places like Japan and Korea they would also involve a process of shifting entrenched cultural norms, which is neither a quick nor a painless process.

Edited October 20, 2023 by DocWatts

[Juan]

22 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

I know enough

Lol