The validity of prayer for peace

[Rafael Thundercat]

So it is, although I at same time see the importance of prayers for peace and that there is good to set the intention for it. I also can see that by this act there is a subtle avoidance of truth and reality or acceptence of the impermanence of all. Is So is paradoxal because acceptance of pray for peace need to be included in it. Acceptance of grief, suffering and all. 

There are inumerous conflics going on simultaniously and since when, since ever. So what is exactly the point for pray? For all stop and peace to reing? As long as there will be a form trying to survive there will be conflict. 

[Someone here]

Try Islamic prayer. It puts you in direct connection with the higher power and is very peaceful. 

 

 

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

So it is, although I at same time see the importance of prayers for peace and that there is good to set the intention for it. I also can see that by this act there is a subtle avoidance of truth and reality or acceptence of the impermanence of all. Is So is paradoxal because acceptance of pray for peace need to be included in it. Acceptance of grief, suffering and all. 

There are inumerous conflics going on simultaniously and since when, since ever. So what is exactly the point for pray? For all stop and peace to reing? As long as there will be a form trying to survive there will be conflict. 

Conflict is a part of reality and there is nothing wrong with praying. You already talk to yourself throughout the day, so what's wrong with talking to yourself through prayer? So no there isn't an avoidance of truth here because you praying is part of truth. Just because you accept something doesn't mean you don't want it to change. Why? Because everything is subject to change. See how I got you out of that trap? Just pray that everything goes according to plan and that you are able to become aware of why everything has to be the way it is.

You can also pray and ask to be shown how you can add some love to it all in whatever capacity you can. Its all good!

[Hojo]

the only peace you should be praying for is peace of mind. that is the goal

[Sincerity]

For me prayer is very important in laying out the truth of my feelings. It's confessing everything to the point that all the various energies are just not there anymore (because they have been exposed, externalized, brought to the light) and that's when You experience peace of mind. That's when You can be truly sincere and genuinely focus on something You REALLY want. That's when You can clearly see the truth of You and your feelings.

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I also can see that by this act there is a subtle avoidance of truth and reality or acceptence of the impermanence of all.

Yes, that can be.

But when You first throw out all the garbage contaminating your mind in the moment (using prayer, for example) and get to your truth, well... then it's okay to pray for this truth, and align with this truth. There is no avoidance. "Thy will be done."

I think "good prayer" can surely be developed with practice. At first You will most likely pray for the wrong things ("the garbage"). Maybe You will feel misguided and won't even know what You want anymore. I'd say the point is to get to the truth and pray for IT.

You THINK You want world peace, for example. You THINK that. But is it your true desire? No it isn't. This is your garbage presumption. And if You dig deep enough, You will find out that what is happening right now is your highest will. That's EXACTLY what You want. And so prayers for world peace simply won't work. Because they're not truthful.

When your prayers are sincere though, they WILL come TRUE. Literally, in Reality.

Because then they are the TRUTH OF YOU.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Sincerity

[An young being]

20 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

So it is, although I at same time see the importance of prayers for peace and that there is good to set the intention for it. I also can see that by this act there is a subtle avoidance of truth and reality or acceptence of the impermanence of all. Is So is paradoxal because acceptance of pray for peace need to be included in it. Acceptance of grief, suffering and all. 

There are inumerous conflics going on simultaniously and since when, since ever. So what is exactly the point for pray? For all stop and peace to reing? As long as there will be a form trying to survive there will be conflict. 

Praying with devotion melts or expands your ego since you are surrendering yourself to a higher power, and this ego expansion could help you connect with the universe, especially if the prayers are not heavily ego-centered.

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Sincerity said:

For me prayer is very important in laying out the truth of my feelings. It's confessing everything to the point that all the various energies are just not there anymore (because they have been exposed, externalized, brought to the light) and that's when You experience peace of mind. That's when You can be truly sincere and genuinely focus on something You REALLY want. That's when You can clearly see the truth of You and your feelings.

Yes, that can be.

But when You first throw out all the garbage contaminating your mind in the moment (using prayer, for example) and get to your truth, well... then it's okay to pray for this truth, and align with this truth. There is no avoidance. "Thy will be done."

I think "good prayer" can surely be developed with practice. At first You will most likely pray for the wrong things ("the garbage"). Maybe You will feel misguided and won't even know what You want anymore. I'd say the point is to get to the truth and pray for IT.

You THINK You want world peace, for example. You THINK that. But is it your true desire? No it isn't. This is your garbage presumption. And if You dig deep enough, You will find out that what is happening right now is your highest will. That's EXACTLY what You want. And so prayers for world peace simply won't work. Because they're not truthful.

When your prayers are sincere though, they WILL come TRUE. Literally, in Reality.

Because then they are the TRUTH OF YOU.

Nothing wrong with wanting world peace. Therapy wouldn't exist if the desire for peace wasn't there. Depression is a lack of peace. Fighting is a lack of peace. The desire to connect with others is a desire to share one's peace with another, (or pain/misery if you have that instead) but notice a desire for peace in the world is not an individual desire but a collective desire. Even those that fight want peace. What is peace? The world in your own image, your own reflection. 

The reason we create movies, video games, plays, etc is to explore conflict and experience conflict without the consequences that come with it. We love conflict, we love creating a mess, we just don't like the pain and devastation that comes with it. One day humanity will create a world with little conflict on the surface, and will create tons of conflict to explore a different way.

This is why I think Virtual Simulation will become one of the greatest technological achievements. It will allow humans to get out their desire to destroy, lie and manipulate, (burn through karma), and then cooperate in the world of survival more peacefully. This is the route I think humanity is headed towards.

[Sincerity]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Nothing wrong with wanting world peace. Therapy wouldn't exist if the desire for peace wasn't there. Depression is a lack of peace. Fighting is a lack of peace. The desire to connect with others is a desire to share one's peace with another, (or pain/misery if you have that instead) but notice a desire for peace in the world is not an individual desire but a collective desire. Even those that fight want peace. What is peace? The world in your own image, your own reflection. 

The reason we create movies, video games, plays, etc is to explore conflict and experience conflict without the consequences that come with it. We love conflict, we love creating a mess, we just don't like the pain and devastation that comes with it. One day humanity will create a world with little conflict on the surface, and will create tons of conflict to explore a different way.

This is why I think Virtual Simulation will become one of the greatest technological achievements. It will allow humans to get out their desire to destroy, lie and manipulate, (burn through karma), and then cooperate in the world of survival more peacefully. This is the route I think humanity is headed towards.

My point was that if YOU really wanted world peace, it would be the case. The highest will is reality.

So if You don't want world peace sincerely, just admit it. No sense in praying for what You don't truly want. You're better off accepting the sometimes "ugly" reality of your feelings, only then the truth of them might change.

In a sense this is taking responsibility for Creation. And connecting with your own divine will.

And wanting to want something else is pointless.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Sincerity