Love is not what you think it is.

[ivankiss]

Love is not a feeling. Love is not a state. Love is not an experience. Love is not a belief.

In fact, Love is not Love, at all. It's something entirely different. Once you "face it", it becomes perfectly clear that any idea you had about love, anything you imagined about love, anything you heard or read about love... is wrong. None of it is actual Love. Absolute Love. Only facets or glimpses of it. And not even.

Absolute Love (which is simply put just The Absolute, or just Love, or just God, or just Consciousness...) knows no opposite. Knows no other. No duality.

Absolute Love is One. It's not this or that. It's neither this, nor that. And it's also both this and that, simultaneously.

It is just as breathtakingly and unspeakably beautiful as it is horrifying and hideous. 

Speaking as if I am looking from the outside in - which is obviously impossible in actuality... It's just imagination.

The point of it is to understand that if you were to witness the infinitude of Love, you would dissolve into nothingness, instantaneously. Your mind would quite literally shatter into million pieces, because it could not comprehend what it is witnessing. It could not make sense of it. It would be the most overwhelming experience ever. The mind-fuck of all mind-fucks. The Paradox would burn your mind from the inside. 

That's what witnessing the infinitude of Love would do to "you".

You would catch a glimpse and then dissolve into what you're witnessing. You would die. You would be no more. As if you never were, to begin with.

There would be only Love. And no one there to call it that, or know that it's that.

Be it would, nevertheless. 

Love is what gives birth to entire universes, and planets and stars and anything you can and cannot imagine.

Love is also what tortures, rapes and kills entire cities and countries. It's what makes children starve. It's what makes homeless, crippled junkies do heroin.

There is only one "force" in existence. Ever. Forever. Only one Love. Only one God. Only one Consciousness.

It's not good or bad. It's not beautiful or ugly. It's not pleasurable or painful. 

It's beyond all those dualities. It's like a cocktail of it all. Anything you can and cannot possibly imagine.

And if that thought does not scary you... Then you really have no business doing this work. You are too reckless and immature and you will do more harm than good, to yourself and others.

It's one thing to listen to gurus about how orgasmic their enlightenments were, or how warm and beautiful God's grace is, or whatever else. It's one thing to fantasize about some super duper ecstatic experience and think that that's what Love is.

It's a completely different thing to face complete annihilation. To be torn apart. To be left breathless, paralyzed with terror. To be reduced to nothing.

Chances are... You will resist. Survival instincts will kick in. You will be absolutely sure you're dying and you will fight for your life. Not knowing that you never really lived, and cannot really die.

It's just how "you" are wired. You are meant to resist.

Chances are... It's not going to be the pleasant, warm, beautiful experience that you hope for. If you do it right, it will scare the crap out of you - to say the least.

Love is scary as fuck. It is disturbing. It is disgusting. It is merciless. It is as cold and vicious as it can be warm and nurturing.

Do not be fooled. Your ideas and beliefs about Love are not what Love actually is. The manifestation of everything around you is just that. A manifestation. A dream Love is having. It is not what Love actually is. 

Absolute Love transcends but also includes any possible horror and beauty you can and cannot imagine. It is not necessarily manifested, but it exists as a potential at all times. Think of it as a resting force. 

Love unites. Love divides. Love gives birth. Love kills and destroys. 

Love is infinite. Anything that can and cannot possibly be... must be Love.

Edited October 15, 2023 by ivankiss

[Leo Gura]

*kiss*

Edited October 13, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

This is hard to digest and goes against traditional notion. 

[Inliytened1]

If it doesn't have feeling as a quality then you might as well call it Oneness and not love.  

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

If it doesn't have feeling as a quality then you might as well call it Oneness and not love.  

This makes more sense thank you 

[Princess Arabia]

My cat cannot take too much of my affection. After 10 minutes or so she retreats. Whenever I'm ignoring her she throws temper tantrums, but as soon as I show or give her attention, she can take but so much. So even in animals love is extreme and they are equipped to take but so much. Humans are the same way. You're smothering me, they say. Love is very powerful. Our system can take so much of it. 

[vibv]

I think that the ugliness comes from viewing it out of a finite - in this case human - perspective. Even if you left your body your mind is still bound in the human realm as long as you are able return.

At least on this planet it's the case that shadows disappear if you just look close enough – they're an illusion.

I can't say something about all the cosmic horrors, but maybe there's a point where you see that it is absolutely perfect how it is and can not be any other way – out of reasons we can't understand right now.

Edited October 13, 2023 by vibv

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Love is not a feeling. Love is not a state. Love is not an experience. Love is not a belief.

In fact, Love is not Love, at all. It's something entirely different. Once you "face it" it becomes perfectly clear that any idea you had about love, anything you imagined about love, anything you heard or read about love... is wrong. None of it is actual Love. Absolute Love. Only facets or glimpses of it. And not even.

Absolute Love (which is simply put just The Absolute, or just Love, or just God, or just Consciousness...) knows no opposite. Knows no other. No duality.

Absolute Love is One. It's not this or that. It's neither this, nor that. And it's also both this and that, simultaneously.

It is just as breathtakingly and unspeakably beautiful as it is horrifying and hideous. 

Speaking as if I am looking from the outside in - which is obviously impossible in actuality... It's just imagination.

The point of it is to understand that if you were to witness the infinitude of Love, you would dissolve into nothingness. Your mind would quite literally shatter into million pieces, because it could not comprehend what it is witnessing. It could not make sense of it. It would be the most overwhelming experience ever. The mind-fuck of all mind-fucks. The Paradox would burn your mind from the inside. 

That's what witnessing the infinitude of Love would do to "you".

You would catch a glimpse and then dissolve into what you're witnessing. You would die. You would be no more. As if you never were, to begin with.

There would be only Love. And no one there to call it that, or know that it's that.

Be it would, nevertheless. 

Love is what gives birth to entire universes, and planets and stars and anything you can and cannot imagine.

Love is also what tortures, rapes and kills entire cities and countries. It's what makes children starve. It's what makes homeless, crippled junkies do heroin.

There is only one "force" in existence. Ever. Forever. Only one Love. Only one God. Only one Consciousness.

It's not good or bad. It's not beautiful or ugly. It's not pleasurable or painful. 

It's beyond all those dualities. It's Like a cocktail of it all. Anything you can and cannot possibly imagine.

And if that thought does not scary to you... Then you really have no business doing this work. You are too reckless and immature and you will do more harm than good, to yourself and others.

It's one thing to listen to gurus about how orgasmic their enlightenments were, or how warm and beautiful God's grace is, or whatever else. It's one thing to fantasize about some super duper ecstatic experience and think that that's what Love is.

It's a completely different thing to face complete annihilation. To be torn apart. To be left breathless, paralyzed with terror. To be reduced to nothing.

Chances are... You will resist. Survival instincts will kick in. You will be absolutely sure you're dying and you will fight for your life. Not knowing that you never really lived, and cannot really die.

It's just how "you" are wired. You are meant to resist.

Chances are... It's not going to be the pleasant, warm, beautiful experience that you hope for. If you do it right, it will scare the crap out of you - to say the least.

Love is scary as fuck. It is disturbing. It is disgusting. It is merciless. It is as cold and vicious as it can be warm and nurturing.

Do not be fooled. Your ideas and beliefs about Love are not what Love actually is. The manifestation of everything around you is just that. A manifestation. A dream Love is having. It is not what Love actually is. 

Absolute Love transcends but also includes any possible horror and beauty you can and cannot imagine. It is not necessarily manifested, but it exists as a potential at all times. Think of it as a resting force. 

Love unites. Love divides. Love gives birth. Love kills and destroys. 

Love is infinite. Anything that can and cannot possible be... must be Love.

From the ego's perspective this is ABSOLUTELY TRUE. :"It is just as breathtakingly and unspeakably beautiful as it is horrifying and hideous. "

The ego's version of Absolute truth is duality.

The Absolute only sees beauty.

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

If it doesn't have feeling as a quality then you might as well call it Oneness and not love.  

I'm glad you became aware of this LOL. Without feeling...there is nothing to experience.

[UnbornTao]

On 13/10/2023 at 10:50 PM, Inliytened1 said:

If it doesn't have feeling as a quality then you might as well call it Oneness and not love.  

Why call it love if it's absolute?

Edited October 18, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Juan]

Love is EVERYTHING! Is Consciousness! But people will overthink it and over explain it. 

[vibv]

8 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Why call it love if it's absolute, though?

Because Love is the best word for it. Human love is a pale imitation of the real thing.

[UnbornTao]

15 hours ago, vibv said:

Because Love is the best word for it. Human love is a pale imitation of the real thing.

What about Absolute or Truth? These leave the matter up for grabs, which is good. What do they try to point to unless you become conscious yourself?

People hear love and will pursue their fantasies and expectations of what it means, since everyone assumes to know love. Calling it true or truth isn't fancy. A bit like the equivalent of calling stretching yoga.

An open inquiry gets conditioned from the start with the result they expect to find. This is why I think it is misleading to call it love from the viewpoint of facilitation.

Anyway, banana or truth, the key is personal consciousness.

Edited October 15, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

On 13/10/2023 at 11:42 PM, ivankiss said:

Love is not a feeling. Love is not a state. Love is not an experience. Love is not a belief.

In fact, Love is not Love, at all. It's something entirely different. Once you "face it" it becomes perfectly clear that any idea you had about love, anything you imagined about love, anything you heard or read about love... is wrong. None of it is actual Love. Absolute Love. Only facets or glimpses of it. And not even.

Absolute Love (which is simply put just The Absolute, or just Love, or just God, or just Consciousness...) knows no opposite. Knows no other. No duality.

Absolute Love is One. It's not this or that. It's neither this, nor that. And it's also both this and that, simultaneously.

It is just as breathtakingly and unspeakably beautiful as it is horrifying and hideous. 

Speaking as if I am looking from the outside in - which is obviously impossible in actuality... It's just imagination.

The point of it is to understand that if you were to witness the infinitude of Love, you would dissolve into nothingness. Your mind would quite literally shatter into million pieces, because it could not comprehend what it is witnessing. It could not make sense of it. It would be the most overwhelming experience ever. The mind-fuck of all mind-fucks. The Paradox would burn your mind from the inside. 

That's what witnessing the infinitude of Love would do to "you".

You would catch a glimpse and then dissolve into what you're witnessing. You would die. You would be no more. As if you never were, to begin with.

There would be only Love. And no one there to call it that, or know that it's that.

Be it would, nevertheless. 

Love is what gives birth to entire universes, and planets and stars and anything you can and cannot imagine.

Love is also what tortures, rapes and kills entire cities and countries. It's what makes children starve. It's what makes homeless, crippled junkies do heroin.

There is only one "force" in existence. Ever. Forever. Only one Love. Only one God. Only one Consciousness.

It's not good or bad. It's not beautiful or ugly. It's not pleasurable or painful. 

It's beyond all those dualities. It's Like a cocktail of it all. Anything you can and cannot possibly imagine.

And if that thought does not scary to you... Then you really have no business doing this work. You are too reckless and immature and you will do more harm than good, to yourself and others.

It's one thing to listen to gurus about how orgasmic their enlightenments were, or how warm and beautiful God's grace is, or whatever else. It's one thing to fantasize about some super duper ecstatic experience and think that that's what Love is.

It's a completely different thing to face complete annihilation. To be torn apart. To be left breathless, paralyzed with terror. To be reduced to nothing.

Chances are... You will resist. Survival instincts will kick in. You will be absolutely sure you're dying and you will fight for your life. Not knowing that you never really lived, and cannot really die.

It's just how "you" are wired. You are meant to resist.

Chances are... It's not going to be the pleasant, warm, beautiful experience that you hope for. If you do it right, it will scare the crap out of you - to say the least.

Love is scary as fuck. It is disturbing. It is disgusting. It is merciless. It is as cold and vicious as it can be warm and nurturing.

Do not be fooled. Your ideas and beliefs about Love are not what Love actually is. The manifestation of everything around you is just that. A manifestation. A dream Love is having. It is not what Love actually is. 

Absolute Love transcends but also includes any possible horror and beauty you can and cannot imagine. It is not necessarily manifested, but it exists as a potential at all times. Think of it as a resting force. 

Love unites. Love divides. Love gives birth. Love kills and destroys. 

Love is infinite. Anything that can and cannot possible be... must be Love.

Deep and beautiful

[ivankiss]

Love you all guys. Right now, I really do.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Love you all guys. Right now, I really do.

Oh oh!

[Razard86]

On 10/13/2023 at 6:00 PM, Princess Arabia said:

My cat cannot take too much of my affection. After 10 minutes or so she retreats. Whenever I'm ignoring her she throws temper tantrums, but as soon as I show or give her attention, she can take but so much. So even in animals love is extreme and they are equipped to take but so much. Humans are the same way. You're smothering me, they say. Love is very powerful. Our system can take so much of it. 

Lol well yeah...we get tired.....gotta go to sleep eventually. 

[Inliytened1]

22 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Why call it love if it's absolute, though?

We are saying that Love is an Absolute- it is a facet of God.  You have to remember that language is limited.  The word Absolute does not fully depict what God is.   Infinity does not.  Nothingness does not.  Everything does not.   The word God doesn't.  The word Love doesn't.   So we look at facets and angles of God in an attempt to grasp it.  When in truth, only being it fully grasps it.  And then good luck coming back and describing it with one word.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

What about Absolute or Truth? As a matter of fact, these are better as they leave the matter open. What do they really mean unless you become conscious yourself? People will hear the word love, and from there they'll stop seeking what's true and will pursue their fantasies of what it means. They'll be focusing on a result. Their investigation will not be open and will already be conformed to the idea of what they'll find. Since they don't know what it is, calling it love (if it's true), is misleading, I think. This is a bit like the equivalent of calling stretching yoga.

The hatred for the word love is a masculine bias. The masculine hates to use the word love, but the feminine loves to use the word love. It's just petty bias on how to describe something and it comes from socialization. As a man if you cannot break out of this masculine paradigm you will never be able to have a deep emotional connection with ANYBODY. 

Good thing is it is starting to change.

Can't be your fullest expression without sufficient love.

Money can't buy love. You can pay someone millions of dollars and still not get love.

Ask a professional player who gave his life to a sport and squeezed everything out of it. A professional player who did that knows what love is through their sport. 

This is why I stress part of the spiritual path is to give your all to something. That is the path of devotion. 

Edited October 14, 2023 by Razard86

[UnbornTao]

On 15/10/2023 at 0:25 AM, Inliytened1 said:

We are saying that Love is an Absolute- it is a facet of God.  You have to remember that language is limited.  The word Absolute does not fully depict what God is.  The word God doesn't.  The word Love doesn't.   So we look at facets and angles of God in an attempt to grasp it.  When in truth, only being it fully grasps it.  And then good luck coming back and describing it with one word.

You is a good one -- if coming from direct experience, as you say. If it's absolute, how come it is a facet of something else? Is love a part of god? This is for fun.

Notice how fantasising may be less likely to occur with less common words such as truth, being or absolute as opposed to god and love. As a teacher, filling the student's mind with too much stuff can be detrimental to her own process.

Edited October 18, 2023 by UnbornTao