Palestine/Israel war - What can we do to stop this genocide?

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It's very cool to hate Jews, but no one asks why or provide a good explanation for that. Only excuses such:"Jews think that they are the chosen by God and it's so annoying". So what? Is that justifying holocaust or any terror against them? Is that justifying them not having their safe place, safe country while other cultures have bunch of land and freedom to live according their views?

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

 

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

 

Jews have been hated for tribal identity and for envy. A tribal identity does not tolerate another tribal identity, hatred of those who are different is normal in any primitive human community, and Christians have been very primitive and very hypocritical throughout history, even more so than Muslims.

Furthermore, the Jews are more intelligent and do good business, and they have a strong identity. An ancient Jew (and a modern one too) does not want his children to marry with non-Jews, they are completely racist, if that were not the case, they would have disappeared.

For me, the ideal of humanity is the disappearance of group identities, the dissolution of all of them into one: humanity. but it seems that this is not close, and the Jews are not pushing in that direction, obviously. As long as this division exists, there will be tribal wars, like the one that has just begun

19 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It didn't took them 12 hours to come, it might have taken 12 hours to fight and catch the terrorists

Ok 

Anyway, the destiny of the Jews is very biblical. They were offered land in Africa and Argentina, but they preferred to go to that hell.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

 

Yes, Jews could immerse into other people but they didn't, why they have to? Does anyone expect Arab, French or German people to do that? Then why Jews have to do that?

 

 

That doesn‘t really make sense though. Israel is recent. While France and Germany are old countries.

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me, the ideal of humanity is the disappearance of group identities, the dissolution of all of them into one: humanity. but it seems that this is not close, and the Jews are not pushing in that direction, obviously. As long as this division exists, there will be tribal wars, like the one that has just begun

I share the same vision with you, of unity and disappearance of identities. I wish it wasn't an issue in our world.

However, from merely observing the middle east, Israel which is associated with Jewish people is more democratic and liberal than countries associated with Islam, so I would say that Jews overall are pushing towards that direction more than Muslims in the middle east. It's only recently that Israeli's government became that extreme, it wasn't that before and I believe that the majority of Israeli people don't support this government.

33 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

That doesn‘t really make sense though. Israel is recent. While France and Germany are old countries.

Israel as a modern country is new.

However, it's a continuity of ancient Jews tribes who lived on this land for a thousands of years.

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I share the same vision with you, of unity and disappearance of identities. I wish it wasn't an issue in our world.

However, from merely observing the middle east, Israel which is associated with Jewish people is more democratic and liberal than countries associated with Islam, so I would say that Jews overall are pushing towards that direction more than Muslims in the middle east. It's only recently that Israeli's government became that extreme, it wasn't that before and I believe that the majority of Israeli people don't support this government.

Israel as a modern country is new.

However, it's a continuity of ancient Jews tribes who lived on this land for a thousands of years.

Yea we are talking about the country not the tribes. Also many jews actually don’t really agree with the state of israel. Many religious orthodox jews think israel as a state can’t exist before the messiah comes. 

[Lila9]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea we are talking about the country not the tribes. Also many jews actually don’t really agree with the state of israel. Many religious orthodox jews think israel as a state can’t exist before the messiah comes. 

They are the minority.

[jimwell]

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

5 hours ago, jimwell said:

If somebody steals your land, that's a valid reaction.

No it's not. These innocent people just wanted to live, didn't bother anyone.

Young people was peacefully partying, how the fuck they are a threat to Palestine?

Israel is simply paying the price of Zionism. 

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

4 hours ago, jimwell said:

Yes, it is noble. But cutting food and water supply is barbaric. That's as bad as what the Nazis did to the Jews.

It's not the same. This cutting is a sanction as a result of the Hamas crime against Israel, until then, they were supplied with water and electricity.

What is really Nazi is to kill innocent people the way Hamas did, merely because they are Israeli or Jewish.

Starving Palestinians to death is as bad as what the Nazi did to the Jews, of course.

"Gassing Jews to death is a sanction as a result of the crime committed against Germany" -Hitler 

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

These "native" Palestinians sold their lands to Zionists, and also were encouraged by some of their Arab leaders to do that, telling them that they will throw Jews to the sea afterwards to get their territory back.

It seems for me like Arabs did business with Zionists and now when they see that they cannot undo the transaction, they claim that it was stolen.

That's falsehood. The extreme Zionists broke the 2-state system implemented in the region after WW2 by murdering Palestinian tribes to implement Zionism. Zionists slaughtered children, babies, women, and old people for Zionism. That's the truth. 

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Canaanites are the ancestors of most Jews and Arabs in Israel:

https://english.m.tau.ac.il/news/canaanites

That link is from the University of Tel Aviv. That's not a reliable source for me because it might be mixed with Zionist propaganda. 

What's clear to me now is that the modern Palestinians and Lebanese are the descendants of the Canaanites who predates the Biblical Jew occupation.

 

4 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I'm not Jewish but you might be a Muslim. I suppose you hate Jews because you were raised so? You may want to think with yourself if your hatred distorts your perception of truth?

I'm a Muslim? 

I was born and raised Roman Catholic. I don't hate Jews. But bullies and pretentious humans do NOT have my sympathy.

It's better if you ask yourself and be self-honest when answering this question, "What's my connection to Israel? Are my perspectives neutral or sensible? Or they seem sensible because of my bias?".

 

 Israel and the USA will continue to pay a price for what they have been doing to the Arab Muslims. Now, they have angered the 2 billion Muslims in Asia. Israel and the USA will NOT have my sympathy. They deserve all the shit they will get.

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, jimwell said:

Starving Palestinians to death is as bad as what the Nazi did to the Jews, of course.

"Gassing Jews to death is a sanction as a result of the crime committed against Germany" -Hitler 

Israel has already resumed the water supply to the southern Gaza.

Gaza is not starving and never starved because of Israel, they still receive constant food supply from international resources. If Gaza is ever starve is because of Hamas.

Now Israel paused the war to provide an humanitarian aid to Gaza while Hamas is still bombing Israel with rockets from North Korea, Russia and Iran.

The comparison to Nazis is absurd, you are literally talking from ignorance without checking the facts.

Israel didn't have to pause the war but it paused it because it's a conscious and development country.

Hamas are closer to Nazis in their level of consciousness and actions. In their documents found by the IDF they wrote that their plan is to kill as much Jews as possible, and they did it brutally, killed Israeli and Jewish people in the most brutal way, worse than dying by gassing.

Hamas are worse than Nazis and you are literally support and justify their cruelty. 

1 hour ago, jimwell said:

That's falsehood. The extreme Zionists broke the 2-state system implemented in the region after WW2 by murdering Palestinian tribes to implement Zionism. Zionists slaughtered children, babies, women, and old people for Zionism. That's the truth. 

Those lands were gradually sold to Zionists, please to more research.

Zionists didn't believe in fighting violently for land but by buying it. They were helped by rich Jews like Rothschild.

1 hour ago, jimwell said:

That link is from the University of Tel Aviv. That's not a reliable source for me because it might be mixed with Zionist propaganda. 

What's clear to me now is that the modern Palestinians and Lebanese are the descendants of the Canaanites who predates the Biblical Jew occupation.

Here's another link:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews

Here's another one:

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/jews-and-arabs-descended-from-canaanites/

1 hour ago, jimwell said:

I'm a Muslim? 

I was born and raised Roman Catholic. I don't hate Jews. But bullies and pretentious humans do NOT have my sympathy.

It's better if you ask yourself and be self-honest when answering this question, "What's my connection to Israel? Are my perspectives neutral or sensible? Or they seem sensible because of my bias?".

Of course you don't hate Jews. You hate bullies. Hamas have killed and tortured more than 1200 innocent citizens in Israel and have taken 150 of them as hostages and God knows what horrible things they are doing to them right now. Sounds like they are serious bullies. Why do you have sympathy for that? Why you justify that? You said that you have no sympathy for bullies, or do you mean that you have no sympathy for bullies expect those who bully Jews?

1 hour ago, jimwell said:

Israel and the USA will continue to pay a price for what they have been doing to the Arab Muslims. Now, they have angered the 2 billion Muslims in Asia. Israel and the USA will NOT have my sympathy. They deserve all the shit they will get.

Oh of course, you are biased against Israel and USA. And you geniunly believe that you care about truth? I think that you are in a serious denial. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Lila9

[jimwell]

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Israel has already resumed the water supply to the southern Gaza.

Gaza is not starving and never starved because of Israel, they still receive constant food supply from international resources. If Gaza is ever starve is because of Hamas.

Now Israel paused the war to provide an humanitarian aid to Gaza while Hamas is still bombing Israel with rockets from North Korea, Russia and Iran.

That's blatant falsehood. How could you call yourself more conscious than an average human?

Here's the evidence of your lie.

Updates as of Monday 16 October 2023 19:04, UK

Source: https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-doctor-in-gaza-hospital-pleads-for-help-as-aid-and-electricity-run-low-12985686

If Israel eventually allows food and other humanitarian aid to Gaza, it's because of international community's pressure ONLY.

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Israel didn't have to pause the war but it paused it because it's a conscious and development country.

Blatant lie. No conscious country would steal territories and murder their fellow humans who had been living there for centuries to establish a state for the Jews. 

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Hamas are closer to Nazis in their level of consciousness and actions. In their documents found by the IDF they wrote that their plan is to kill as much Jews as possible, and they did it brutally, killed Israeli and Jewish people in the most brutal way, worse than dying by gassing.

Was it as cruel as the Zionist Jews' murder and displacement of almost a million native Palestinians during the "Nakba" or "1947-1949 War"?

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Why do you have sympathy for that? Why you justify that? You said that you have no sympathy for bullies, or do you mean that you have no sympathy for bullies expect those who bully Jews?

Hamas surely is cruel. But I understand why they do such horrible things to Jews. I don't promote what they do. But I understand them.

 

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Oh of course, you are biased against Israel and USA. And you geniunly believe that you care about truth? I think that you are in a serious denial. 

 

That's a good thing to say to yourself.

Here's a possible solution:

Israel should honor the UN Partition Plan in November 1947. Return what they have stolen from the Palestinians. Return parts of the Galilee, the coastal plain, the Negev Desert, and portions of Jerusalem. Israel should also return the Golan Heights and parts of the West bank, territories they stole during the Six-Day War in 1967.

Israel is lucky to have been allowed to establish and maintain the Jewish State by the UN. Honoring the UN Partition Plan in November 1947 is the least they can do.

Of course, Hamas should also accept that they can't completely eliminate Israel, and simply allow the Jewish State to exist.

It depends on how well the UN can enforce the plan this time. The first time they tried, 76 years ago, they failed.

[Danioover9000]

   What a shocking lack of empathy:

 

[lina]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   What a shocking lack of empathy:

 

Yes it has not only been this video. The complete lack of empathy and dehumanization of Palestinians in the western media has been sickening. 

[DawnC]

If anyone here genuinely believes that Israel is committing genocide, it's important to examine your biases. Israel is not without flaws, but it is certainly not engaged in genocide. This notion is too absurd to even consider debating. 

Check your resources. Learn to assess the quality of the information and news you consume. Study the cultures and political systems of the parties involved. Delve into history. Reflect. Think.

[Danioover9000]

   Interesting take:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9bs4sycl8

[Mesopotamian]

On 10/14/2023 at 0:16 AM, Leo Gura said:

@lina Well, you have to ask yourself, How else can Hamas be eliminated? Because it certainly cannot be allowed to stay in power.

The unfortunate reality is that eliminating Hamas will involve a lot of collateral damage. Hamas is a cancer within the Palestinian population. Eliminating a cancer is very difficult and comes with serious side-effects.

I wish that wasn't the case, but that's the situation. Peace negotiations can resume once Hamas is eliminated and Palestinians have sane leadership.

I feel that's only valid if you would to separate Hamas from the rest of the world. The truth is that Hamas is the head of the spear, and it's a long fight/struggle against the west and their agent in the region (Israel). 
 

Have you ever noticed the pattern? ISIS, with the slaughter of Yazidis in Iraq, and Hamas now is coming up with the slaughter of Jewish in Israel. 

Tens of thousands of Arabs Palestinians will be killed in order to "Liberate" Ghaza, only for the same pattern to emerge elsewhere.

We need a solution for Islamic fundamentalism! 

[lina]

On 10/24/2023 at 1:14 AM, DawnC said:

If anyone here genuinely believes that Israel is committing genocide, it's important to examine your biases. Israel is not without flaws, but it is certainly not engaged in genocide. This notion is too absurd to even consider debating. 

Check your resources. Learn to assess the quality of the information and news you consume. Study the cultures and political systems of the parties involved. Delve into history. Reflect. Think.

I did. 

 

 

[lina]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/children-gaza-are-writing-names-31251348 

Children in Gaza 'are writing their names on their arms in case they die in airstrikes' 

 

[Hardkill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N022xsuk1Yo

[Merkabah Star]

On 14/10/2023 at 7:15 AM, lina said:

I understand what you mean and it's true, but I am talking specifically about the current events. Gaza has no water or electricity and is being bombarded right now. Israel seems like having the intention to wipe out the entire area. Palestinians have nowhere to go. Wounded people are waiting to die in dark hospitals with no electricity. 

What can we do as humans around the world to push governments to stop this ongoing genocide and bring a halt to war crimes committed against civilians? 

The USA is the only country that can stop it. 
 

it’s getting so bad Egypt is going to have to let people in or the UN will have to boat people out?

[DocWatts]

6 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

The USA is the only country that can stop it. 

Imagine that if instead of supplying military and financial aid to Israeli's apartheid regime, official US policy was to treat Israeli as a pariah state to be ostracized from the international community, similar to how such pressure helped to put an end apartheid in South Africa.

Sadly, that's not the world we're living in though.

[lina]

12 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

it’s getting so bad Egypt is going to have to let people in or the UN will have to boat people out?

It seems that what Israel wants but Palestinians don't want to leave their land because they are worried it will be another Nakba. 

[Merkabah Star]

22 minutes ago, lina said:

It seems that what Israel wants but Palestinians don't want to leave their land because they are worried it will be another Nakba. 

It is a Nakba.