How to live from a Non-Dual State

[Razard86]

16 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Razard86

Now I get more what you are saying. As I'm naturally inclined to be like that, it's the reason why I felt so little impact by reading it from outside. Lifestyle is a crucial part of awakening that is not stressed enough. 

Exactly but what is really surprising me is this....you really need to take back your Authority on life because what is true for one aspect of you is not true for another. For example there are some people immune to HIV, and there are some people immune to Malaria, etc. There are some people who can smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and never get cancer and some people who have never smoked get lung cancer from Car pollution.

This means you need to study your body and how it works and hold your body as the number one authority of what is beneficial to you. For example some people will claim certain diets are optimal. How would you know unless you tried them? Majority of information we receive we take it as true based on faith. So from this perspective you could say SOCIETY IS A RELIGION THAT CLAIMS IT IS NOT A RELIGION.

Now I am not saying don't listen to advice, I am saying cross-reference and test for yourself. We all have a responsibility to ourselves to be as knowledgeable as possible about what works for us. Anytime we take what another says on faith without testing it out, is an expression of our belief that we are not smart enough to figure it out. We are way smarter than we give ourselves credit for. 

Edited October 14, 2023 by Razard86

[Osaid]

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

No. I had not taken psychedelics in 3 years at that point.

 

Resting heartrate. It's as if you're so calm that you're disappearing.

 

Nope.

 

LSD three times, microdosed a dozen times. The experiences were triggered by meditating 1-1.5 hour every day for 3 years straight, stretching 30 minutes every day, semen retention, abstaining from all social medias and online newspapers, eating extremely healthy, sleeping well, working out regularly, listening to non-dual teachers regularly and while falling asleep. The "flip" happened when I decided to stop meditating and stopped trying to have the experiences.

Oh ok, I'm just trying to understand what the fear is like. I hear a lot of people describe it as if they're dying, which is why I guess the term "ego death" exists, but I never really perceived it that way, so it is odd for me to see it described that way. It felt like "I" was unravelling or dissolving psychologically, and then my experience just recontextualized itself, but I wouldn't describe that as deadly at all. It was just happening "internally." For me, death has to do with a physical threat or something. It was very lucidating and liberating overall, which doesn't seem very deadly to me. I just realized exactly what I was.

I will also say, there are many flavours of what is called "ego death." You can get ego death from turning into a chair through salvia or something, or you can get "it" just from the baseline state. It is true that certain ways of getting it will be more uncomfortable, for example, it would be hard to conduct normal human life by being a chair, but I feel like looking at it that way is losing yourself in the content instead of the structure. "Ego death" can happen while you're just sitting on a bench, and it can also happen while being transformed into a chair, but the content of those situations is irrelelvant. It is simply just that the psychological identity-making stops, and then experience is left to be exactly as it is, and then that experience by itself is simply what you are and what you always were. For example, it is hard to continue creating the identity "I am a human" when you have literally been transformed into a chair, so that is why that experience tends to cause ego death. It is not that the experience itself is more true or "higher consciousness", but rather just the fact that you are literally a chair with an identity crisis. The input of "I am" is naturally recognized to be useless in that state.

Furthermore, living your normal life as a human is not really contradictory to ego death. From a certain perspective, you could say ego death doesn't exist at all simply because the ego never existed. And to expand even more on this, only the ego can perceive something called "ego death", so it is a catch-22. Living from this place might be called "enlightenment." Thinking about things and having memories about things is not ego, it is creating a second identity based on the perception of those phenomenon which is ego. The ego can be seen as an unnecessary secondary interpretation of your immediate experience. 

I will also say this, but any ideas of yourself dissolving or disappearing forever is also just ego. It's not actually ego death. The ego describes "it" that way, but of course that is not "it." You never actually reached "the other side", so what are you fearing exactly? I think it might be the case that at that moment in time, the ego decides to run through a lot of what it has heard about what ego death is, and how it should be scary, and how it involves disappearing forever, stuff like this. And then this causes fear. Perhaps it would be much easier for someone who cannot create the label "ego death" in their mind at all, as they have never heard of the phenomenon and thus cannot fantasize about it. I think it is possible for it to unfold in a way where you don't immediately come up with that label at all, you might have some insight that just immediately pulls you into it, which is kind of what happened to me personally. There are many ways of "going into it", and your mind can frame it many ways. As previously stated, it could involve turning into a chair, or simply just sitting on a bench doing nothing. So there is that variety in what could trigger "it." And I personally feel that it doesn't have to be a very deathly or frightening experience at all, but it could just be something very simple and immediate, and then you can continue to go on with your life afterwards.

[UnbornTao]

You're already you. Why fear it?

I keep thinking you're talking about something different -- states, maybe -- from awakening.

Edited October 18, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

@Osaid @UnbornTao @Razard86

I mean, you guys are not wrong. My intuition is also that once you pass beyond that initial fear (if it arises), you'll arrive at a much better place in the end. But this ego is a dense one.

[Razard86]

56 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Osaid @UnbornTao @Razard86

I mean, you guys are not wrong. My intuition is also that once you pass beyond that initial fear (if it arises), you'll arrive at a much better place in the end. But this ego is a dense one.

No shame, you are where you want to be and that is all that matters. If you are happy I'm happy for you. You will eventually as you say marry meaning and being to the highest potential when you are ready....and then realize it goes on forever lol. With each new level feeling total and complete each time. We could call God a totality that gets deeper and deeper forever.

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Osaid said:

Oh ok, I'm just trying to understand what the fear is like. I hear a lot of people describe it as if they're dying, which is why I guess the term "ego death" exists, but I never really perceived it that way, so it is odd for me to see it described that way. It felt like "I" was unravelling or dissolving psychologically, and then my experience just recontextualized itself, but I wouldn't describe that as deadly at all. It was just happening "internally." For me, death has to do with a physical threat or something. It was very lucidating and liberating overall, which doesn't seem very deadly to me. I just realized exactly what I was.

I will also say, there are many flavours of what is called "ego death." You can get ego death from turning into a chair through salvia or something, or you can get "it" just from the baseline state. It is true that certain ways of getting it will be more uncomfortable, for example, it would be hard to conduct normal human life by being a chair, but I feel like looking at it that way is losing yourself in the content instead of the structure. "Ego death" can happen while you're just sitting on a bench, and it can also happen while being transformed into a chair, but the content of those situations is irrelelvant. It is simply just that the psychological identity-making stops, and then experience is left to be exactly as it is, and then that experience by itself is simply what you are and what you always were. For example, it is hard to continue creating the identity "I am a human" when you have literally been transformed into a chair, so that is why that experience tends to cause ego death. It is not that the experience itself is more true or "higher consciousness", but rather just the fact that you are literally a chair with an identity crisis. The input of "I am" is naturally recognized to be useless in that state.

Furthermore, living your normal life as a human is not really contradictory to ego death. From a certain perspective, you could say ego death doesn't exist at all simply because the ego never existed. And to expand even more on this, only the ego can perceive something called "ego death", so it is a catch-22. Living from this place might be called "enlightenment." Thinking about things and having memories about things is not ego, it is creating a second identity based on the perception of those phenomenon which is ego. The ego can be seen as an unnecessary secondary interpretation of your immediate experience. 

I will also say this, but any ideas of yourself dissolving or disappearing forever is also just ego. It's not actually ego death. The ego describes "it" that way, but of course that is not "it." You never actually reached "the other side", so what are you fearing exactly? I think it might be the case that at that moment in time, the ego decides to run through a lot of what it has heard about what ego death is, and how it should be scary, and how it involves disappearing forever, stuff like this. And then this causes fear. Perhaps it would be much easier for someone who cannot create the label "ego death" in their mind at all, as they have never heard of the phenomenon and thus cannot fantasize about it. I think it is possible for it to unfold in a way where you don't immediately come up with that label at all, you might have some insight that just immediately pulls you into it, which is kind of what happened to me personally. There are many ways of "going into it", and your mind can frame it many ways. As previously stated, it could involve turning into a chair, or simply just sitting on a bench doing nothing. So there is that variety in what could trigger "it." And I personally feel that it doesn't have to be a very deathly or frightening experience at all, but it could just be something very simple and immediate, and then you can continue to go on with your life afterwards.

What death is is really the realization that the self is an illusion.   This is ultimately enlightenment in a nutshell.   Since you are an idea - death is the cessation that you were a physical being - or the realization that you were just an idea and not a physical being.  That "physical" is an idea.   We only call this ego death because we come back.  And we only come back because we are not ready to permanently forfeit this amazing creation and the creature or self we created the illusion that our consciousness is being held in.  But it Is death in every way.  

Edited October 14, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

What death is is really the realization that the self is an illusion.   This is ultimately enlightenment in a nutshell.   Since you are an idea - death is the cessation that you were a physical being - or the realization that you were just an idea and not a physical being.  That "physical" is an idea.   We only call this ego death because we come back.  And we only come back because we are not ready to permanently forfeit this amazing creation and the creature or self we created the illusion that our consciousness is being held in.  But it Is death in every way.  

Yep when self, and life are discovered to be equivalent to nothing....to nonsense (that which cannot be sensed), when sensory perception is revealed to be imaginary/dream/appearance/ with nothing behind it but more appearance, that there was never a physical world, that a stick figure is equally as imaginary and unreal as your human self, that a SELF=construction, a mental construction and that if can be deconstructed.

People on these forums love to say I am nothing LOL they have no clue what that actually means. They are so attached to being something, that they reject nothing which is the truth of what they are. If God didn't make something temporary, God would never wake up LOL. That love for something...is something else!!! To tell a human identity that they are imaginary, a fictitious story out of no where, a mere appearance, is to throw the biggest salt on the wound of an ego you can ever imagine. 

Because to an ego, the lack of an appearance is nonexistence. It's good thing sleep was created, it gives you good practice at showing you that you are imaginary. Every time you go to sleep you are shown you are imaginary. 

[gettoefl]

great pearls y'all thanks

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