How to live from a Non-Dual State

[Razard86]

So my Non-Dual State is fluid, as such I have been able to test and see what impacts how deeply felt it is. I have tested this for the past year and I realize what allows someone to feel the Non-Dual state. It's not enough to just be conscious that you are one, but to also be aware that you are love. So I have tested it and came to certain observations and I will share with them.

1. Why karma is important. Every adversity you give yourself in your life is an opportunity to either bring you closer or further from your true nature. I aware of my karma. I can taste it, its like a unique soup of ingredients. It has its own flavor. Its also constantly being acted upon the more I move through various experiences. The most influential part of my karma has been a desire to be true to what I set out to do. What I have learned is the more you have committed to something, the more you have been true to what you aspire to do, the closer you get to what you are. 

So if you have lived a life of going through the motions, not showing up authentically to do whatever you are tasked with, then this is going to keep you from your true nature. You see, you cannot live from a state that is NOT true of what you are. If you only do things for personal gain, then you cannot live in a Non-Dual state. The Non-Dual state is a state of a deep surrender and appreciation of all, a state of service, and a state of authentic expression. You cannot truly appreciate something you judge, and you cannot be authentic yourself if you judge. 

Overcoming your judgments can only be accomplished through commitment. Seeing through the fallacy of your judgments can only be accomplished through surrendering your desire for something in the form of possessing it, and instead having a desire to authentically express it. So when you turn from the desire to control, to possess, to express....that is when you know you are on the right path.

Now as they say good works won't get you there, in one sense they are right in another sense they are wrong. Good works help you create the consciousness state. Then when you entire Spirituality everything you experienced prior you must face, which is your karma. Depending on how inauthentic you were prior to Spiritual work the harder your journey will be. Why? Because inauthenticity is just a lack of acceptance. So if you have been very unappreciative and judgmental, then that is what you will face. This is why the Spiritual Path is just you facing yourself. 

THIS is why you live authentically and truthful. Why? Because you are always watching yourself!! Think about it.....it is said God is always watching you in religious circles....lol who knew that the God watching you was YOU!!! LOL!!!! You know when you give your best. You know when you were sincere. Every single thing you complain about others, you have done. When you say...I wish the world was like this...but yourself don't act in the way you wish the world to be...there is a cost. This is what it meant in scripture you would be rewarded in secret. The secret is Self-Acceptance and Self Love. 

I've even recently come into awareness of what is going on as well. Every event in your life is God giving you something new to love. To appreciate. You are here to appreciate duality. To experience it. Every time I reach a new level of love, I'm bombarded with things I don't love so much. LOL. Stops me from becoming overly confident. I'm also becoming more aware how strategy pulls you away from your true nature. Your true nature is heart centered, (which is why I recently changed my profile picture the other reason is job-related  lol) which is a nature of giving with no expectation of return. 

So based on what was written above if you cultivate these traits it can help you get closer to your true nature. 

1. Be as honest as you can, and seek to transcend your comfort level a little more each day. Be completely naked with yourself (psychologically), don't allow the clothes/lies to cover you.

2. When you pick a goal be consistent with it. Focus on every moment of that activity, and do not worry to much about the end results. Instead of trying to control it, seek to explore it and experience it and remove all judgment.

3. Seek to understand the perspective of others. If you think someone is crazy, realize that the one that is crazy is YOU. Why? Because....that person is YOU. So why is it that you think you are CRAZY? Seek to discover why the dissociated part of yourself thinks and feels the way they do. This doesn't mean you have to agree with them, or hang around them, but it does mean that if you can understand them you just made your life that much easier. The ease of your life is determined by how unlimited you are and all limitation is bias. Bias is fear. Only your fear holds you back from your truest expression which is what all life seeks to be, the truest expression.

4. You have two minds within the human body, unfortunately this has not been taught as a result of ignorance. What are these two minds? One is your intellectual mind which is run by your brain and is survival oriented. The other is your heart. For years I always thought it was some airy fairy nonsense when people talked about the heart. But once you fully open your heart chakra, you will truly realize what was being pointed to all along. Your heart chakra is anti survival. The heart is self-sacrificial. It does not fear death. It does not fear pain. It only desires to connect with pure nakedness, pure vulnerability and transparency. The brain is self-protecting, it fears death. It fears pain. It only desires to connect with layers of protection, security, and lack of transparency.

So your job in life is to develop both. If you become too logical, you will never know love. And if you become too heart centered you will be terrible at survival. The goal should be to focus on developing both which is what every human is trying to do but there is a secret. Leo pointed to it in one of his videos and people don't get it so I'll help. Leo mentioned that God surrendered all of its intelligence to love. Leo has also stated you CHOSE to be love. 

So what does this mean? Well notice the traits I associated with the heart? It doesn't seek to hide anything, it doesn't fear pain, or death. It seeks to connect with fully. Now picture if you approached every activity in your life...from the heart? What do you think that would do? If you pay attention to people who are great at something, they tell you stuff like "I can tell who is fake or phoney. It's obvious to me who really loves this and who really doesn't." So this means you as God made the defining factor to how great you become at anything, is based on how much love it. 

So notice what I said....you can only know love through commitment. If you never commit to anything and give it your all in life, then you will never KNOW LIFE. If you never KNOW LIFE, then you will never KNOW that it was LOVE....until your DEATH. What a terrible waste to die, and discover INFINITE LOVE, and to realize that the point of life was to LOVE it. 

[An young being]

8 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

 

1. Why karma is important. Every adversity you give yourself in your life is an opportunity to either bring you closer. Its also constantly being acted upon the more I move through various experiences. The most influential part of my karma has been a desire to be true to what I set out to do. 

If you only do things for personal gain, then you cannot live in a Non-Dual state. The Non-Dual state is a state of a deep surrender and appreciation of all, a state of service, and a state of authentic expression. 

. Depending on how inauthentic you were prior to Spiritual work the harder your journey will be. Why? Because inauthenticity is just a lack of acceptance. So if you have been very unappreciative and judgmental, then that is what you will face. This is why the Spiritual Path is just you facing yourself. 

THIS is why you live authentically and truthful. 

 

1. Be as honest as you can, and seek to transcend your comfort level a little more each day. Be completely naked with yourself (psychologically), don't allow the clothes/lies to cover you.

2. When you pick a goal be consistent with it. Focus on every moment of that activity, and do not worry to much about the end results. Instead of trying to control it, seek to explore it and experience it and remove all judgment.

3. Seek to understand the perspective of others. 

4.. The brain is self-protecting, it fears death. It fears pain.  

So what does this mean? Well notice the traits I associated with the heart? It doesn't seek to hide anything, it doesn't fear pain, or death. It seeks to connect with fully. Now picture if you approached every activity in your life...from the heart? What do you think that would do? If you pay attention to people who are great at something, they tell you stuff like "I can tell who is fake or phoney. It's obvious to me who really loves this and who really doesn't." So this means you as God made the defining factor to how great you become at anything, is based on how much love it. 

The above points sound like a good advice to me.

[UnbornTao]

Can you clarify what you mean?

Edited October 18, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Razard86]

13 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Can you be clearer and more concise? What are you trying to communicate?

Can you be clear and more concise on what is confusing? What part is too vague?

[UnbornTao]

@Razard86 I'm the one asking. 

What are you trying to get across?

[Razard86]

47 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Razard86 I'm the one asking. 

What are you trying to get across?

The title says it all. What you don't understand is, how can I answer your question...if you don't tell me what you don't understand. You asked me to be specific, but you need to be specific on what you think isn't specific. The title says how to live from a Non-Dual state. So I am explaining that.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Razard86

[UnbornTao]

@Razard86 Not clear to me what you said. Authenticity and integrity as principles, along with other things. This relates more to style than substance. I was pressing you to get clearer in your experience so I can better understand your posts. What do you mean by non-dual state? What are the two minds that you say the body has? 

It also sounds like you're turning a concept of enlightenment into a cosmology or model (karma, chakras), if that's what you're talking about.

Edited October 18, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Razard86]

58 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Razard86 Got the sense it is abstract and unclear. Sounds like you're talking about authenticity and integrity as principles, along with some other stuff. I guess this is petty of me and relates more to style than substance. In any case, I was pressing you to get clearer in your experience so your post is concise, with nothing unnecessary added and nothing left unsaid. 

For example, what do you mean by nondual state? What are the two minds that you say the body has? 

It also sounds like you're making enlightenment into a cosmology or model (karma, chakras), if enlightenment is what you're talking about. If not, what is it? 

Thank you for your response. We are all petty and any issues we have with ourselves is due to style which separates us from the substance so its no big problem its absolutely normal. 

1. When I say nondual state, I explained that earlier at the top of my post where I said its not enough to be aware that all is one. For many people when they take a psychedelic they can become aware that all is one. But they may not be aware of LOVE. So what I am referring to is how to become aware of both Love and Oneness. 

2. The two minds I explained earlier, the brain is the part of you that is focused on survival. The other mind that is part of you is the heart chakra. Now obviously there are other chakras and I could go deep into how they impact you such as the third eye, the crown, etc. but I wanted to focus on the part that doesn't deal with survival when fully opened. A fully opened heart chakra is only possible when you have made your peace with the finite life of the human identity. Only through that can the love that is searched for be realized as a baseline experience. 

3. All enlightenment discussions are models because every communication is itself a model. A model cannot be avoided, for example many Neo-Advaita try to avoid models but no matter what they do their communication will always be received as a model. The point is to allow your intuition which has the ability to resonate and detect the substance, heart, or essence that is trying to be communicated within the model. This can only be done with an openness which again= Open Heart.

My point is in your spiritual journey a special emphasis on your heart chakra is paramount. Because that is what gets you to the truth of what you are. You are love, and you designed the human body to place your most authentic nature in the non-linear, non-conceptual, intuitive, felt part of you which is your heart. When the brain heart connection is established, then you can finally communicate with the universe. 

This is just me outlining a method of how it works. 

[UnbornTao]

@Razard86 Good, thank you.

What do you mean by communicating with the universe?

[Carl-Richard]

My relationship with the non-dual state became truly serious once I realized that I didn't want it (or that a big part of me didn't want it). Karma unfolds in very counterintuitive ways sometimes.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Osaid]

33 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

My relationship with the non-dual state became truly serious once I realized that I didn't want it (or that a big part of me didn't want it). Karma unfolds in very counterintuitive ways sometimes.

Why not? What does a non-dual state look like to you and why is it unwanted?

[Carl-Richard]

57 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Why not? What does a non-dual state look like to you and why is it unwanted?

I kept seeking it, dipped my toes into it, but always recoiled in fear. I kept doing that for a while, until I realized that I don't think I want to be in it. Then, as I relaxed, suddenly the entire image flipped, and the only thing that was not in it was my toes, and I had to pull myself out somehow. That is the counterintuitive aspect of it: you think your karma tracks onto your state of consciousness, but that is not always the case.

Ego death is terrifying, for the ego, when the ego is not ready. The ego does not really choose when it is ready either. It has to feel like there is truly no other alternative before it lets go forever.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Osaid]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I kept seeking it, dipped my toes into it but always recoiled in fear. I kept doing that for a while, until I realized that I don't think I want to be in it. Then suddenly, the entire image flipped, and the only thing that was not in it was my toes, and I had to pull myself out somehow. That is the counterintuitive aspect of it: you think your karma would track onto your state of consciousness, but that is not always the case.

Ego death is terrifying, for the ego, when the ego is not ready. The ego does not really choose when it is ready either. It has to feel like there is truly no other alternative before it lets go forever.

Psychedelic-induced? Does it feel like a panic attack (fast heartbeat, feeling of experience seeming unreal, trembling, etc.)? Is there an actual perceivable threat to your body/experience aside from the aformentioned symptoms? Also, if not psychedelic-induced, have you ever taken psychedelics in the past?

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Osaid said:

Psychedelic-induced?

No. I had not taken psychedelics in 3 years at that point.

 

8 hours ago, Osaid said:

Does it feel like a panic attack (fast heartbeat, feeling of experience seeming unreal, trembling, etc.)?

Resting heartrate. It's as if you're so calm that you're disappearing.

 

8 hours ago, Osaid said:

Is there an actual perceivable threat to your body/experience aside from the aformentioned symptoms?

Nope.

 

8 hours ago, Osaid said:

Also, if not psychedelic-induced, have you ever taken psychedelics in the past?

LSD three times, microdosed a dozen times. The experiences were triggered by meditating 1-1.5 hour every day for 3 years straight, stretching 30 minutes every day, semen retention, abstaining from all social medias and online newspapers, eating extremely healthy, sleeping well, working out regularly, listening to non-dual teachers regularly and while falling asleep. The "flip" happened when I decided to stop meditating and stopped trying to have the experiences.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Razard86]

13 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I kept seeking it, dipped my toes into it, but always recoiled in fear. I kept doing that for a while, until I realized that I don't think I want to be in it. Then, as I relaxed, suddenly the entire image flipped, and the only thing that was not in it was my toes, and I had to pull myself out somehow. That is the counterintuitive aspect of it: you think your karma tracks onto your state of consciousness, but that is not always the case.

Ego death is terrifying, for the ego, when the ego is not ready. The ego does not really choose when it is ready either. It has to feel like there is truly no other alternative before it lets go forever.

I was with you before this last part. You said ego death is terrifying for the ego when the ego is not ready. The truth is it is ALWAYS terrifying for the ego. It was designed this way on purpose. You have to surrender while still full of fear. Think if a 10 foot dragon dropped in your house and was going to attack your loved ones and a magic sword and shield capable of defeating that dragon appeared in your hands.

Even if you got the courage to go fight that dragon, a ridiculous amount of fear is going to arise. So the point of the fear is to see if you have the courage to face yourself. So you can do it, because you are me. I am you and you are me. So it is literally impossible for me to be more courageous than you. The only thing that separates us is self-belief, but you are equally as strong and weak as me. 

[Carl-Richard]

16 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I was with you before this last part. You said ego death is terrifying for the ego when the ego is not ready. The truth is it is ALWAYS terrifying for the ego. It was designed this way on purpose. You have to surrender while still full of fear.

Nevertheless, there comes a point where the ego surrenders forever, and it doesn't really choose when that happens.

[Razard86]

11 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nevertheless, there comes a point where the ego surrenders forever, and it doesn't really choose when that happens.

This is true. But if you don't die before you die, you only get one half of the experience of life. Life is designed to be both ONE and dualistic. You were born into ONE, and conditioned into dual. If you allow yourself to be unconditioned back into ONE you can see the magic. It is bittersweet from one perspective but absolutely ridiculously good from another perspective. Which is so weird as hell LOL. But yeah it just means you are currently content with the way things are. 

If that contentment ever disappears, you will see how quick it happens since you are literally in front of the door. I can tell.

[Davino]

@Razard86

I honestly don't think any of what you said is sufficiently powerful by itself to grant you a non dual base line consciousness.

I agree with the heart chakra having a key role, but I mean, to get to a point where all the energy in your body flows effortlessly and gracefully you are gonna need some industrial level sadhana for it. Kundalini awakenings for example are a minimum requirement. Dissolving solidities in the body through vipassana and pranayama. Long hours of taoist chi circulation or kriya yoga techniques. Do nothing, meditation to dissolve them in a more surrendered way. Psychedelics to speed up all this process. Samadhis, jhanas, trances etc.

This kind of stuff in my experience has the power to really raise your base line consciousness to a non dual state.

I was very excited when I saw your post because it's something I'm really working on but what you said seems more a final integration after the hard  work, than core practices to abide in non duality every day.

I've read many of your posts and sometimes you have said things about your base line consciousness that have impressed me. I would like to ask you how have you really got there? Not from now that you are writting this post, because if you had read this some years ago it would not have made you live from non duality be honest about that. So please tell me I want to genuinly know, how have you raised so much your baseline consciousness?

[Razard86]

25 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Razard86

I honestly don't think any of what you said is sufficiently powerful by itself to grant you a non dual base line consciousness.

I agree with the heart chakra having a key role, but I mean, to get to a point where all the energy in your body flows effortlessly and gracefully you are gonna need some industrial level sadhana for it. Kundalini awakenings for example are a minimum requirement. Dissolving solidities in the body through vipassana and pranayama. Long hours of taoist chi circulation or kriya yoga techniques. Do nothing, meditation to dissolve them in a more surrendered way. Psychedelics to speed up all this process. Samadhis, jhanas, trances etc.

This kind of stuff in my experience has the power to really raise your base line consciousness to a non dual state.

I was very excited when I saw your post because it's something I'm really working on but what you said seems more a final integration after the hard  work, than core practices to abide in non duality every day.

I've read many of your posts and sometimes you have said things about your base line consciousness that have impressed me. I would like to ask you how have you really got there? Not from now that you are writting this post, because if you had read this some years ago it would not have made you live from non duality be honest about that. So please tell me I want to genuinly know, how have you raised so much your baseline consciousness?

I explained it all already. When they refer to your karma they are referring to 2 things. The intent behind every action you took from your first memory until this present moment. All that information is in your body. So the more pure your intent the easier it is going to be for you to overcome your karma. The second part is your interpretation of your karma. If you are stuck in a victim/demonization mode interpretation of your life it will be hard to overcome your own judgments. 

Now notice how the two overlap. If you judged the world as evil, and took the same path that the world took (lies and manipulation) it will be incredibly hard if not impossible for you to escape the confines of your karma. Why? Because your judgment of the world is equivalent of your judgment of yourself. The more you hate the world, the more you hate yourself and the more you will resist letting your karma (story narrative) go. I have already explained also how lies create more distortion in your ability to understand yourself and reality so notice how that neatly lines up with intent? If you intend to manipulate and control others, which is a form of trying to bend or bind others to your will, you end up binding yourself. Trying to undo that bind is damn near impossible if it becomes too complex because you will create a karma (story) that demonizes the world and makes you the good guy. Now every perspective does this on auto-pilot, but with a desire to be honest and true, awareness can grow and illuminate your own inconsistencies and allow you to decrease the mental differences you create in your mind between self and other.

As this happens you end up constructing an identity based on truth, and as a result you will avoid falling into false information and will drawn towards whatever you believe is the highest truth. As such this will pull you towards philosophy, history, sociology, psychology, science, and religion. This is all because you cannot help but wonder, why is everything the way it is. 

So what I am saying, the more truthful and honest you have been before you started Spirituality, the easier it will be to rid yourself of the confines of karma. The less truthful, the harder it will be. Many of the issues others have that I hear about, I don't have because I dealt with many of that early on in my life. I'm not saying I am perfect. I am saying I have the balls to call myself out, and have spent years self-examining myself over and over and over. I also made the necessary changes, and I lived a life of forgiveness (I still had some deeper attachments/resentments I had to uncover through Spirituality but no where near as most people) by naturally crafting perspectives that unified versus dividing. 

I can go further but basically its like this. If a kid is raised with the message be truthful and honest regardless of the consequences. Seek to treat others as you would like to be treated. And the kid authentically lived from this place, with a desire to increase every day in honesty....this kid WILL awaken if he never abandons this path. But if the kid was too busy trying to fit in, get a job, a career, and have fun, and just mimicked everyone else's philosophy on life...that kid is going to have a HARD TIME!!!! 

If you notice life works investment style. Everything you do adds up in the end. Think of karma as your spiritual bank account. If it is fool of lies, then you will be in the negative and won't have enough Self-Love to fully awaken. If you notice a lot of people are having near death experiences.....God gotta wake itself up some how.

[Davino]

@Razard86

Now I get more what you are saying. As I'm naturally inclined to be like that, it's the reason why I felt so little impact by reading it from outside. Lifestyle is a crucial part of awakening that is not stressed enough.