New War In Israel / Gaza

[Socrates]

Even if we take what Israel is saying about the land as fact (which is not), there is no justification for the revenge of killing civilians that Israel does on purpose atm, so I will never support Israel's genocidal actions.

They had the audacity to say, "We don't aim for accuracy we aim for as much damage as possible" and isn't it weird how haven't seen any Hamas dead but only Palestinian families and kids? If any other country did so many blatant war crimes they would have international consequences but I guess international law doesn't apply to Israel.

Israel is doing the devil's work and whoever supports them is equal to Hitler's accomplish.
also, I remember some moron in here justifying Israel's actions by saying "Violence doesn't help the cause of Palestine" and "they should seek a peaceful solution" in reference to Hamas. 

The double standards are insane, when Israel does terrorism it is "self-defense" but when Palestinians do self-defense it is "terrorism"

The current government of Israel and the people running their socials are liars without any remorse, you can even see it in the propaganda they spew, they have staged MANY news articles and Twitter posts to get the moral edge and even dared to say: "Jail up to 1 year for people that hurt the ethnic morale". This is literally fascism and ethnonationalism straight out of Hitler's book, democracy cant happen on top of that so you see the results.

Anyone who supports doing terrorism in response to terrorism shouldn't cover politics, he just doesn't get it nor has the intellectual capabilities to do so.

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Socrates
Fixed generalizations about the Jews that were borderline anti semitic

[Lila9]

11 minutes ago, Socrates said:

Jews are pretentious little snakes

You just proved why Jews need a land of their own, a place far away from antisemitic people like you. 

12 minutes ago, Socrates said:

Anyone even sympathetic to Israel shouldn't cover politics, he just doesn't get it nor has the intellectual capabilities to do so.

My condolences for your hatful and ignorant attitude, I hope there's cure for that. 

 

[Scholar]

Well if people are going to shitpost I will as well:

[Sincerity]

44 minutes ago, Socrates said:

Jews are pretentious little snakes

Let's not get carried away.

Please keep it civil.

[Breakingthewall]

51 minutes ago, Socrates said:

We don't aim for accuracy we aim for as much damage as possible"

If that were true, they would devastate Gaza and leave no one alive, with Dresden-type bombings every day. You are supposed to be smart guys and here is everyone who is a fan of team A or team B, without nuances. If this is the case here, what will the simple people who are in the real situation be like?

[integration journey]

 

[Socrates]

@Lila9 Are you supporting the terrorism Israel is doing at the moment in the name of "self-defense"? 

If yes you are equivalent to a nazi troop that just "follows order" and accepts the status quo like an NPC.

@Sincerity True, there are many Jews that are legit fighters for justice and truth, however, staging fake blood scenes and spewing lies on Twitter from the official Israeli account to get the morale support in doing terrorism labeled as "self-defense" rubs me the wrong way ngl.

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Socrates said:

@Lila9 ¿Estás apoyando el terrorismo que Israel está realizando en este momento en nombre de la "autodefensa"? 

En caso afirmativo, eres equivalente a una tropa nazi que simplemente "sigue el orden" y acepta el status quo como un NPC.

@Sincerity Es cierto, hay muchos judíos que son luchadores legítimos por la justicia y la verdad, sin embargo, montar escenas de sangre falsas y escupir mentiras en Twitter desde la cuenta oficial israelí para obtener apoyo moral para cometer terrorismo etiquetado como "autodefensa" me molesta. el camino equivocado ngl.

This is a situation that has been degenerating for 100 years, judging it simply is wrong. You have to admit the trauma of seeing the atrocities Hamas has committed on defenseless girls and children. That requires a response if you do not want to disappear as an entity.

What happened before is indifferent, this demands a response, and in that response we will see how Israel acts. What do you want them to do? nothing? So they are dead as a nation. Even the Muslims knows that a response is legitimate 

I hope it's the end of Netanyahu, the incompetence showed is criminal, if not directly a premeditated crime

Edited October 16, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

This is such a complex, non black-and-white issue that I encourage you guys to study all the opposite persepctives and not get locked into any one side.

There is no simple right view here. Which is why this issue has not been resolved for 70+ years. Appreciate the complexities at play. The more I study this issue the more tricky it becomes.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@Lila9 @Lila9 @Socrates @Hatfort @Scholar

Again if it was up to me. I would declare everyone who identify of a religion, race, tribe, gender, nation : a terrorist.

Whatever is needed for world peace and unity. We should not tolerate all those roots that create narcissist divisions and destructions.

I had a 'jew' friend his solution was to not identify as a Jew. 

Magic thing he couldn't even recognize antisemitism. He wasn't able to see it. Could even joke about Hitler.

We know what is the root of all evil. Identification with non sense, attachment to the idea of what will makes you survive.

 

 

[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Lila9 @Lila9 @Socrates @Hatfort @Scholar

Again if it was up to me. I would declare everyone who identify of a religion, race, tribe, gender, nation : a terrorist.

Yea because communism/socialism in russia, china, north korea etc is/was so peaceful 

[Scholar]

 

[Danioover9000]

   Wow, zero empathy by the female reporter, just right after the Palestinian ambassador gives his story. She basically after he finishes his opening gave him a "Oh, sorry for your lose. BTW do you condemn HAMA?". Mr. Girl would have had a fit:

 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@PurpleTree I believe that the fundamental concept of French universalism is superior and aligns more closely with the topic I m talking about. ( the end goal : dissolution of the state/nationalism )
 
"Unity indivisible of the Republic: liberty, equality, fraternity or death."
 

Edited October 16, 2023 by AerisVahnEphelia

[Jodistrict]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is such a complex, non black-and-white issue that I encourage you guys to study all the opposite persepctives and not get locked into any one side.

There is no simple right view here. Which is why this issue has not been resolved for 70+ years. Appreciate the complexities at play. The more I study this issue the more tricky it becomes.

The Western corporate media will only publish one side of the issue.  Whenever you get a good guy/bad guy narrative, and the solution is to defeat the bad guy, you know you are listening to propaganda.   The purpose of the narratives is to increase power and control, not to show any truth.  Narratives on both sides are also used in the Ukraine situation.

 

Western Leaders & Media Are Justifying Israel’s “Genocidal Campaign” Against Palestinians

https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/13/noura_erakat_palestine_gaza_israel

 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The Western corporate media will only publish one side of the issue. 

Not true. I have seen a wide variety of perspectives in the corporate media.

Medhi Hassan, for example, is part of Western corporate medIa. He is very sympathetic to the Palestinians and harsh on Zionists.

The media is doing a fine job reporting on this issue. All perspectives can be found if you just bother to look for them.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not true. I have seen a wide variety of perspectives in the corporate media.

Medhi Hassan, for example, is part of Western corporate medIa. He is very sympathetic to the Palestinians and harsh on Zionists.

What do you think should happen?

[Scholar]

This should be a mandatory watch for all of your outrage cows, because you basically got caught up by the social media processing plant (which happens to everyone if not mindful of this):

 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, bambi said:

What do you think should happen?

Hamas needs to be eliminated as precisely as possible with attention to the least possible civilian deaths.

Then end to settlement expansion and negotiation of peace deal.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Leo Gura

[hundreth]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hamas needs to be eliminated as precisely as possible with attention to the least possible civilian deaths.

Then end to settlement expansion and negotiation of peace deal.

Fair enough.

There’s a lot of misunderstanding about Israel’s motives. Of course they don’t expect to 100% eliminate Hamas. That is impossible. The lines between Hamas militants and civilians are very blurred.

What Israel is actually trying to do is avoid a dense urban ground war with hundreds of thousands of civilians. If enough Gazans move south, Israel will come in and destroy Hamas infrastructure, weapon stockpiles, etc. without as much risk to their soldiers and civilians alike.

No one actually expects this to solve the Middle East crisis or defeat Hamas completely. Israel has been resigned to doing this sort of maintenance work every decade or so to greatly reduce the risk of attack on their populace.