Posted March 2 On 3/1/2024 at 1:21 PM, zazen said: I read some where that its not just propaganda but atrocity propaganda which is a fitting term. The lies keep piling up. Sadly it was very effective. Just look around and you will see most people are literally numb to the fact that there is an ongoing genocide and starvation happening to an entire civilian population yet choose to remain mentally stuck in October 7th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) *Reminder Edited March 2 by lina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 16 hours ago, Thought Art said: Everyone is sharing good points from different perspectives. It’s important to realize how relative this is. Each person will see the conflict differently. All judgement is relative to a large degree. How best to govern, how best to handle situations, is beyond my capacity to understand. But, I must be willing to understand this from the highest possible perspective over time. I don’t know how much I don’t know. I am attempting to perceive a super position of all possible viewpoints, opinions and perspectives. This takes not knowing, observation, multi-perspective-ism, recontextualization, understanding of bias, collective bias, survival, corruption, selfishness, social matrix, forgiveness, letting go, open mindedness, Self love etc etc However, I find as I contemplate my bias leans in and out. Toward one side or the other. Or this way is best it that way is best. Or this is what is happening or that is what is happening. What is true? What is best for humanity in the long term? I don’t know. Fundamentally the goal is to love mankind. That, mankind be well. That man kind be peaceful. War, is often a seed of peace. Surely, peace will come. But, the events that lead there no one knows. It’s also challenging because I can’t tell what is fact from fiction. It’s not clear what information is correct. I have degrees of accepting. But, I don’t know. All this sounds amazing except when it happens to you. If someone stole YOUR country. How would that make you feel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) @Twentyfirst Bad. It would make anyone feel bad. But, how I feel isn’t going to matter is it? It makes me feel “bad” regardless. But, it’s my work to understand reality. Please, stop trying to shame me. It’s immature. I am as I am relative to what is. To judge those who seek understanding is to doom conflict resolution. Edited March 2 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) On 2.3.2024 at 1:54 AM, Vrubel said: @Nivsch For those who are decent, open and have a sense of truth our posts hit like bricks of solid insight. (Not talking about the people hellbound on their narrow narrative and crusade of willful ignorance, demonization and self-defeatism.) +1 ❤ Edited March 3 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 11 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: All this sounds amazing except when it happens to you. If someone stole YOUR country. How would that make you feel? This country legitimately belongs to Arabs and Jews as one. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 12 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: All this sounds amazing except when it happens to you. If someone stole YOUR country. How would that make you feel? What is the history of US and Canada? "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 The Story Behind the New York Times October 7 Exposé https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The Intercept Newsletter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 New investigation: we explored Israel's ghost list of items that are being arbitrarily denied access to Gaza since October 7. These include: Anesthesia machines, oxygen cylinders, crutches, solar panels, ventilators and water purification tablets https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/middleeast/gaza-aid-israel-restrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 What are y’all thoughts about what Trump said here? 🤔 I AM a devil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 @Thought Art the irony of that video being 9:11 long… very sad documentary I AM a devil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) Jocko Willink? What a joke. Jock ol' lantern shuts his blinders on this genocide. What a guy, the westernized money can Best Buy! BTW, freestyle rapper here, don't mind slant rhymes, but Putin is pronounced poo-tin, not p-few-tin! Edited March 3 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, Thought Art said: They focused during the whole video on almost only one case which I personally don't like or support, even if most of the arrested were hamas, what very plausible, still, I don't like this act. aljazeera will always focus, purposely and fully agenda driven, on the dark minority. What aljazeera are really doing is to project their own darkness, which is far-far more toxic, unhealthy and manipulative, into Israeli soldiers. But what can I do that the soldiers I know, part of them personally, and part of them through interviews (not in toxic channels) and I see humanity, good souls and a broad heart from their personality and talking. There are many good high quality people among IDF that been educated to the acceptance of the differencies in ethnicity, and to not want to harm the innocents. These are the majority. Edited March 3 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 @Nivsch 11 minutes ago, Nivsch said: They focused during the whole video on almost only one case which I personally don't like or support, even if most of the arrested were hamas, what very plausible, still, I don't like this act. aljazeera will always focus, purposely and fully agenda driven, on the dark minority. What aljazeera are really doing is to project their own darkness, which is far-far more toxic, unhealthy and manipulative, into Israeli soldiers. But what can I do that the soldiers I know, part of them personally, and part of them through interviews (not in toxic channels) and I see humanity, good souls and a broad heart from their personality and talking. There are many good high quality people among IDF that been educated to loving and acceptance of uninvolved innocents. These are the majority. And? Have you forgotten we live in a democracy? Where there are diverse ranges of perspectives and views on this issue? Why simplify it all down and say Aljazeera, Owen Jones, The Young Turks or even any other Channel with some pro Palestinian views are all evil and bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: @Nivsch And? Have you forgotten we live in a democracy? Where there are diverse ranges of perspectives and views on this issue? Why simplify it all down and say Aljazeera, Owen Jones, The Young Turks or even any other Channel with some pro Palestinian views are all evil and bad? Pro Palestinians are not "bad". They just don't know at all the Israel world. A world which is completely and utterly out of their eyesight. At the same way, for example, that I may have a sense that I shortcuted in my mind of who is the Italian guy. Unless I visit there for at least couple of weeks (accumulated) I don't understand sh*t. Only after couple of weeks of touring I can start, only start, to have glimpses of the real thing. Edited March 3 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Thought Art said: No. There is a huge difference between the good intentions of aljazeera and that of Israel. I saw the whole video of course two years ago. Edited March 3 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 @Nivsch 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Pro Palestinians are not "bad". They just don't know at all the Israel world. A world which is completely and utterly out of their eyesight. At the same way, for example, that I may have a sense that I shortcuted in my mind of who is the Italian guy. Unless I visit there for at least couple of weeks (accumulated) I don't understand sh*t. Only after couple of weeks of touring I can start, only start, to have glimpses of the real thing. The same logic applies to the Israelis and Zionists on the other side too. They live in a world separate from what Palestinians face. Should the Israeli public gain more awareness of the Palestinian's world too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
