Posted January 21 (edited) 5 hours ago, Vrubel said: Ben Gvir and Smotrich as elected officials is a new phenomenon in Israel. Historically Israel’s leader were very down to earth and uncorrupted (they had to be for survival of the country), I can still see this integrity within the center left. I connected some dots today and realized that what many people here in this thread see as "Israel" is ,mainly, the 5% most far-right sector. I now understand this when I remember all the links and statements being quoted here. Why is that? Maybe those 5% have the highest sound volume, or that the world media wants to focus almost solely on them out of a confirmation bias. Edited January 21 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 @Heaven 15 hours ago, Heaven said: Jewish country is justified after the holocaust. The UN agreed they will live in Israel. So they didn’t just occupied the land. Israel is the Jewish country for almost a 100 years. They are not going to move anywhere. The acceptance should be there to begin with after holocaust. Or maybe there should be a WW3 for Muslim countries to accept it. Israel doesn’t oppress Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Qatar. Still those countries are doing anything they can to terrorize Israel. It was never about Palestinians and Israel it is much broader. 9/11 Didn’t happen because America is oppressing the Middle East but because of power games. The history repeat itself. Just in a more complex way. Hamas = Nazis = Isis. To try to justify their actions is to believe a story that they are telling you. Guess what? They are lying to you. So because Jewish country is justified after holocaust gives them a genocidal pass? If I survived your attempts at murder, and you killed some of my family, am I justified in murdering you back, because I nearly got murdered and you killed some of my family? When did the UN agree they would live in Israel? Israel is Jewish country for almost 100 years, they aren't going anywhere, justifies the IDF in using dumb bombs, targeting civilian buildings, destroying 70% and more buildings in Gaza, and restricting Aid from outside world? In comparison, when allies bombed Germany during WW2, 40% of Germany's buildings got destroyed, so why the 70% plus destroyed buildings in Gaza? Also why assume a binary ultimatum for the Muslim countries nearby, to accept Israel unconditionally or do WW3, when this specific issue is genocidal intent and acts by IDF onto Gazans? So what 'power games' are you referring to here that caused 9/11 in America? How does HAMAs=Nazis=ISIS, when Israel=N? Why is trying to justify their actions=believing a story told? Who's lying to who? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Yes the beat is awesome, I think that I've seen a translation of the song by someone in the comments on YT. Imma need to cross-reference them on https://genius.com/ and it better have that green verification checkmark to prove that it’s the right lyrics! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 I am biased about this war since I am a non-white progressive person living in America. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 53 minutes ago, Nivsch said: This reminds me the iconic performance (including the dance) of Noa in the Eurovision show: 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lila9 said: This reminds me the iconic performance (including the dance) of Noa in the Eurovision show: Oh yes that was super iconic 🤩 And Neta in 2018 too. To be honest Sweden's song this year was beyond amazing (but the performance was less to my type). Edited January 21 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Oh yes that was super iconic 🤩 And Neta in 2018 too. Yes! 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 12 minutes ago, Nivsch said: To be honest Sweden's song this year was beyond amazing (but the performance was less to my type). I'm in love with the Sweden song, loved the performance too! 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 (edited) Netanyahu and his supporters are far bigger threats to Israel than Hamas. He is now admitting he will never abide by a Palestinian state. He wants to continue the status quo, blockade Gaza, mass bomb them when they try to resist creating orphans for extremists to recruit, and allow settlers to slowly force out those in the West Bank. This is assured violence, this is the situation that lead to every attack on Israel in the past decades including Oct 7. This is going to blow up when the surrounding middle eastern countries have had enough and given that Israel has nukes and is prepared to use them, it could take the rest of the world with them. Virtually every other country in the entire world including the US believes a Palestinian state is the only chance for peace. If the US keeps supporting Israel after this it’s going to be clear they are entirely in the pocket of AIPAC. Young voters are souring on Israel and this will continue until they are the majority of voters in 30 years, but by then Orthodox Jews will be a much larger population in Israel and their politics will be even more extreme. This is a disaster in the making. Edited January 21 by Raze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: @Lila9 So the ultimate logical conclusion is that you want Palestinians in Gaza, in West bank, to convert to western values and democracy and stop fighting? Also by implication you want Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Yemen, most of Iran, to just speed up development into western democracy, egalitarianism, and feminism? You ultimately want this American ideology to quickly spread and infest most of the middle east, regardless of cultural lose to those following Islam? No, I want it to remain Islam. There is enough Americanization in the world and the Islamic culture has its own beauty which I don't want to go away. But I want it to be a more sane and conscious form of Islam in its approach to human rights and Israel, this exists among many Muslims, but not as a collective. Edited January 21 by Lila9 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 @Raze On one thing we can agree and is that Netanyahu is toxic. 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 (edited) @Leo Gura I only like that he goes with his inner 'fire' and truth all the way (even when I am not necessarily agree with things he say) despite all the pressure on him from the outside. The problem is that he is willing to run over and destroy everything and everyone that stand on his way. Edited January 21 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 @Leo Gura 11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. Same with me, I like Chris Langan for his smarts but not his politics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. Why? He’s on the verge of going to prison for corruption and is arguably responsible for the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by riling up extremists towards him. Not to mention all the violence he inflicted on Palestinians and putting Jews at risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 No no You should be listening to orphaned land now Ooo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 12 minutes ago, Raze said: He’s on the verge of going to prison for corruption and is arguably responsible for the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by riling up extremists towards him. I don't know enough about that to make an evaluation of its truthfulness. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. Maybe it’s because he so Americanized and appeals to tacit American cultural and social sensitivities. Edited January 21 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: I connected some dots today and realized that what many people here in this thread see as "Israel" is ,mainly, the 5% most far-right sector. I now understand this when I remember all the links and statements being quoted here. Why is that? Maybe those 5% have the highest sound volume, or that the world media wants to focus almost solely on them out of a confirmation bias. Yes of course, people think we’re brainwashed with no capacity for objective thinking while in reality we stand up for our naked survival and all kinds of ugliness, lies and deceit. Edited January 21 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21 12,000 dead children 85% of homes destroyed 1.9 million people without shelter 60,000 pregnant women I genuinely don't understand some people in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
