New War In Israel / Gaza

[LSD-Rumi]

@Bobby_2021

37 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Israel is following the war ethics from what I hear in the news. Before bombing a building they will announce to vacate it. They follow all standards of a modern ethical military.

I understand your concern.

Bombing civilians.

Hahahaha.

I cannot but luagh. When the Supreme court judge you by genocide, you should know you did something wrong. 

 

[Nivsch]

@LSD-Rumi But it didn't.

This was just South Africa government who invited hamas leaders to their office during the same month in when they submitted their claim to the court.

The court did nothing tangible/operational because it also understood this "genoc*de" legend isn't a serious thing.

Edited March 10 by Nivsch

[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

Exactly. They have shown themselves to be not developed and very much middle eastern/arab in their behaviour. 

You have a poor understanding of what "developed country" means.

It's the under developed countries that sit and tolerate terrorism and allow them to run a much.

Will Dubai allow this bullshit? No. They ban all this and will put you in jail for this nonsense. 

A subset of the Muslim countries are horrifically underdeveloped and a significant faction of elites from the developed countries fund the terrorists, even if they may half heartedly condemn it. 

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Using civilians to reach their goal is not despicable but the standard operating procedure for terrorists. Bending to their demands is like bending to the will of the terrorist. You are behaving exactly like they want you to behave. 

You don't have to let this happen. 

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

The court did nothing tangible/operational because it also understood this "genoc*de" legend isn't a serious thing.

They ruled there’s a plausible case for genocide taking place (the final verdict takes years) and they listed tangible measures to be followed which Israel didn’t but instead violated mockingly via IDF members own hands.

The majority of Israeli society might be moderate but the issue is with the groups that wield influence and set the country's policy and direction. Considering its relatively small population size, the extreme rhetoric coming out of Israel seems disproportionately high. When examples of such rhetoric are highlighted, accusations of cherry-picking often follow by ultra Zionists, yet if an equivalent volume of footage were shared depicting Muslims with the same extremist elements they feel fine to attribute these views to a 2 billion-strong Muslim population, branding them together.

Extremist groups are a reality across all societies, including Islamic ones. The crucial factor is the extent of their influence over a country and its citizens. It's important to consider whether these radical voices have political allies who share their views, or if they are marginalized, wielding influence only within their own 'sacred' communities and places of worship. The distinction between political support and isolation can significantly affect how these groups impact broader society and policy.
 

 

 

Article about the above Rabbi (whose school is funded by the government - should it be defunded? Should aid be cut to Israel just like UNRWA?) - 

https://jewschool.com/174135-174135

One of the notable Israeli historians;

 

Edited March 10 by zazen

[Nivsch]

@Bobby_2021 Which means all the so called developed countries like UK, Sweden and the like are indeed very developed relative to the muslim countries, but in the broad sense even them are still only half-baked developed because, among other things, the reasons you mentioned.

Edited March 10 by Nivsch

[Bobby_2021]

22 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Bobby_2021 Which means all the so called developed countries like UK, Sweden and the like are indeed very developed relative to the muslim countries, but in the broad sense even them are still only half-baked developed because, among other things, the reasons you mentioned.

Absolutely. Affluence have got them out of touch with reality, but a few terror attacks will get them in line.

Some learn only by the consequences of their own actions, if they learn at all. 

It all boils down to how much you are willing to tolerate. Take a no tolerance approach and terror attacks will decline. Those political leader who take such a strong stance will be seen as "fascists" and authoritarians. Those who sympathies with the terrorists are seen as people with sympathy etc. This is all nonsense.

As a nation, we need to have unbreakable ideals, which if you violate, you will be shown hell. This is not nice, but this is the only way to reduce terror attacks and bring peace. 

Edited March 10 by Bobby_2021

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

It all boils down to how much you are willing to tolerate. Take a no tolerance approach and terror attacks will decline.

You have said this before and have provided NO evidence this is true. All independent analysis has found “no tolerance approaches” like war and blockades increase terrorism. The war on terror increased terrorism. Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and bombing of Gaza lead to oct 7. 

We do have a recent historical example of ending a large amount of terror attacks with how the British stopped the IRA. Their own analysis was that it only stopped when the grievances of the insurgency were addressed politically as opposed to violently.

 

[Vrubel]

Israelis are not going to pamper Gazan civilians as long as this bright and beautiful young girl is still held there. (Just one example, they also hold two babies and over a hundred others.) 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-791158

There is no spiritual bypassing this and playing the extremely redundant numbers game, Jews have a genuine love for each other, Arabs most certainly do not. Most countries would undoubtedly deal with such savagery with real f*cking genocide, like China, Russia, Arab countries (the latter two are where most Jews are from and yet they are so much more gentle). It's so obvious that Hamas relies on exploiting the morality and level-headedness of Israel. In fact the whole reason they committed their attack is because they knew that Israel is too advanced to do a real genocide even in retaliation for mass murder, kidnapping, animalistic mutilation and rape of civilians. 

[Danioover9000]

   I'm so desensitized to this, but it's still disgusting that a toddler is telling what happened to his pregnant mom:

   Israel should get it's thread locked and temp banned from conflict. Go touch grass and stop sacrificing humanity each time you let alt right wing IDF soldiers shot a freaking pregnant woman. Grounded, time out, bad Israel!

[Raze]

33 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Israelis are not going to pamper Gazan civilians as long as this bright and beautiful young girl is still held there. (Just one example, they also hold two babies and over a hundred others.) 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-791158

 

Israel’s priority is not protecting its citizens nor is it getting the hostages back.

Attacks from Gaza have happened for decades killing Jews, rather than try and remediate the situation Israel allows it to happen for opportunities to massacre Palestinians. They call it mowing the grass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass#:~:text=The term was coined by,seen with the three Gaza
 

They even had a protocol to purposefully kill Jews to avoid them being taken prisoner 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

At the start of the war Hamas offered to give up all the hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, Israel refused and instead attack, since potentially a dozen or more hostages have died.

Surviving hostages themselves said Israel’s bombardment was closed to killing them than their kidnappers. 

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The next day the supermarket was hit by shrapnel from an Israeli aerial bombardment. “It was atrocious. It was the first time we really felt like our lives were in danger,” Almog-Goldstein said.

“We heard the constant shelling and bombing getting closer and closer and could already see all the stones flying around and the rubble and shrapnel. It was closing up on us to the point where the Hamas guards put mattresses over us on the floor to cover us, and then they covered us with their bodies to protect us from our own forces’ shooting.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/03/we-were-constantly-in-terror-israeli-hostage-tells-of-captivity-in-gaza

33 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

There is no spiritual bypassing this and playing the extremely redundant numbers game, Jews have a genuine love for each other, Arabs most certainly do not. Most countries would undoubtedly deal with such savagery with real f*cking genocide, like China, Russia, Arab countries (the latter two are where most Jews are from and yet they are so much more gentle). It's so obvious that Hamas relies on exploiting the morality and level-headedness of Israel. In fact the whole reason they committed their attack is because they knew that Israel is too advanced to do a real genocide even in retaliation for mass murder, kidnapping, animalistic mutilation and rape of civilians. 

Not true, Russia is currently experiencing far more losses than Israel but has not created starvation of Ukrainians and have a lower ratio of civilians killed to enemy soldiers 

You’re saying Jews are “more gentle” because you’re comparing Jewish citizens to Hamas soldiers. The average Arab is not a hamas fighter.

A fairer comparison would be the IDF to Hamas, and they aren’t really much more “gentle” as throughout their history they’ve committed many massacres of Arabs 

Edited March 10 by Raze

[Nivsch]

This tactic won't work. The initiated or intentional violence coming from Israel is promil in comparison to that of the Palestinian's terror organizations.

[Nivsch]

52 minutes ago, Raze said:

Israel’s priority is not protecting its citizens nor is it getting the hostages back.

Attacks from Gaza have happened for decades killing Jews, rather than try and remediate the situation Israel allows it to happen for opportunities to massacre Palestinians. They call it mowing the grass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass#:~:text=The term was coined by,seen with the three Gaza

This is a low intensity war against hamas in the west bank since 2002 until this day, the only thing that stopped the suicide bombers came from there.

No massacares at all. You conflated civilians with hamas.

Edited March 10 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

On 3/9/2024 at 8:38 AM, Nivsch said:

Northern East Europe and South America.

And can you explain one last time how the land belongs to you? 

[Vrubel]

Israel's military objectives are twofold:

-remove Hamas from power (so they never kill and kidnap Israelis again)

-free the hostages. (for obvious reasons)

These two goals are equally crucial but rub against each other making this situation an all the more horrific conundrum.

[Merkabah Star]

8 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You have a poor understanding of what "developed country" means.

It's the under developed countries that sit and tolerate terrorism and allow them to run a much.

Will Dubai allow this bullshit? No. They ban all this and will put you in jail for this nonsense. 

A subset of the Muslim countries are horrifically underdeveloped and a significant faction of elites from the developed countries fund the terrorists, even if they may half heartedly condemn it. 

-------------------

Using civilians to reach their goal is not despicable but the standard operating procedure for terrorists. Bending to their demands is like bending to the will of the terrorist. You are behaving exactly like they want you to behave. 

You don't have to let this happen. 

If they were developed they would have negotiated the hostages release by now. Which was easy enough to do with a ceasefire. It’s not rocket science. It seems like your hero doesn’t want the hostages released because then they can keep murdering on a large scale and throw around words like moral army and how kind and caring they are. No one is believing anything they say. 

Edited March 10 by Merkabah Star

[Vrubel]

13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

And can you explain one last time how the land belongs to you? 

By virtue, grace and historical poetry.  

It was already perfectly explained in a recent post of mine, I know you're just being a nar.
It's the Jewish homeland and he lives there. 

[ArcticGong]

Hasn’t anyone in this entire thread made the case that countries are social construct and belongs to nobody? Then I’ll repeat it. No country belongs to nobody absolutely speaking. But relatively speaking, Arabs conquered and renamed their territories like Egypt to Misr, Jordan to Urdunia, Syria to Shams. If you want a fair playing field, let’s sit down and renegotiated the entire Middle East so every minority gets a piece, if fairness is the concern. European Jews took back a land which had sentimental value to them. Which seems unfair, but plenty injustice goes on there. Orthodox people keep longing for reclaiming Constantinople, but they aren’t waging a holy crusade to make it happen. The world is unfair, relatively speaking. Playing the victim while trying to dictate terms is really overplaying one’s hand. Lastly, if human life was a priority for Arabs, Palestinians Muslims would be settled at a safe place. Wonder why Christian’s from the levant have had several waves of exoduses to Latin America? Because it is dangerous being a minority in the Middle East.  

[Vrubel]

@ArcticGong I mostly agree though Greeks don't need to reclaim Constantinople to secure their future and live in freedom, resilience and sovereignty, for Jews it was a stark necessity to reclaim at least a part of their historic homeland.  

 

59 minutes ago, ArcticGong said:

Playing the victim while trying to dictate terms is really overplaying one’s hand. Lastly, if human life was a priority for Arabs, Palestinians Muslims would be settled at a safe place. Wonder why Christian’s from the levant have had several waves of exoduses to Latin America? Because it is dangerous being a minority in the Middle East.  

It's a common trend that minorities in the Middle East must show a certain excellence to survive, they cannot afford to fall into riffraff behavior or they'll be mercilessly hammered down. You can see that in Christians, Druze, Kurds, Armenians and more. The extremely talented president of El Salvador is of Palestinian Christian descent.  

Israel is not as merciless as the surrounding region so Palestinians have no stark pressure to show excellence in survival to thrive as a people and instead constantly sniff out the vibe of deterrence or lack thereof to impulsively act.  

Edited March 10 by Vrubel

[Danioover9000]

@zazen

14 hours ago, zazen said:

They ruled there’s a plausible case for genocide taking place (the final verdict takes years) and they listed tangible measures to be followed which Israel didn’t but instead violated mockingly via IDF members own hands.

The majority of Israeli society might be moderate but the issue is with the groups that wield influence and set the country's policy and direction. Considering its relatively small population size, the extreme rhetoric coming out of Israel seems disproportionately high. When examples of such rhetoric are highlighted, accusations of cherry-picking often follow by ultra Zionists, yet if an equivalent volume of footage were shared depicting Muslims with the same extremist elements they feel fine to attribute these views to a 2 billion-strong Muslim population, branding them together.

Extremist groups are a reality across all societies, including Islamic ones. The crucial factor is the extent of their influence over a country and its citizens. It's important to consider whether these radical voices have political allies who share their views, or if they are marginalized, wielding influence only within their own 'sacred' communities and places of worship. The distinction between political support and isolation can significantly affect how these groups impact broader society and policy.
 

 

 

Article about the above Rabbi (whose school is funded by the government - should it be defunded? Should aid be cut to Israel just like UNRWA?) - 

https://jewschool.com/174135-174135

One of the notable Israeli historians;

 

   Very true, when the minority is over represented as the majority opinion is a pretty dangerous situation.

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

19 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

All your ideals will fly out of the window the moment you head a gun shot outside. Almost all of the Palestinian supporters are falling for this fallacy all the time. War time ideas are wholly different from peace time ideas. Throw out everything you learned from actualized, because it will not fly here. It will not help you defend against terrorists.

You do not negotiate with terrorists. You do not make deals with them. You eliminate them.

The longer you are willing to tolerate terrorists, the more they terrorize you. It is number one priority to eliminate the terrorists. There should be no ceasefire until the terrorists cease to exist.

The best way to do that is to level their tunnel infrastructure to the ground or below it. At some point, enough is enough. 

   I see, so if a system is producing terrorists, instead of a deeper root issue fix, you just kill the produced terrorists?

   What about a system producing spousal abuse and rape victims? Deal only with the rape victims and abused, mercy kill them, but not the system or groups producing such victims in the first place? What if there were a few vigilantes from such a system trying to deal with the system, yet that system calls it illegal activity and tries these abused victims of crimes instead of seeing how these vigilantes are produced?