New War In Israel / Gaza

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From the same article above.

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Under international law, the unconditional provision of humanitarian supplies such as food, water, shelter and medicine is a basic obligation during conflict.

Yet recent reports on the talks between Hamas and Israel on a proposed 40-day ceasefire suggest that as part of the terms of the negotiations, Israel has pledged to allow the entry of trucks and the delivery of tents, caravans, essential fuel, and construction materials to fix critical infrastructure such as hospitals and bakeries.

“Humanitarian aid must not be used as a bargaining chip in negotiations,” the experts said. “We reiterate our earlier call for an arms embargo and sanctions on Israel, as part of all states’ duty to ensure respect for human rights and stop violations of international humanitarian law by Israel.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/un-experts-condemn-israeli-massacre-of-palestinians-collecting-flour

 

[Twentyfirst]

On 3/3/2024 at 1:03 AM, Nivsch said:

This country legitimately belongs to Arabs and Jews as one.

Palestine belongs to the Palestinians

[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Heaven said:

Hamas started a war because they can’t sit around and continue to be funded by terror organizations worldwide.
The fact that they focused on building tunnels under the city shows that they don’t care what will happen above it.

Now IDF is doing an extremely hard job to avoid the next massacre. Of course when Hamas is hiding underground civilians will get hurt. To blame Israel for that it’s ridicule. 

+1 ❤

[zazen]

16 hours ago, lina said:

It's not out of spite, it's an attempt to raise awareness regarding what's happening and stop it or at least decrease its severity. We're privileged to live in a time that has independent media that can scrutinize dangerous propaganda that has repeatedly been guilty of starting endless wars. Furthermore, what's shared here is only a small fraction of the graphic in-ground media a lot of people have been exposed to on a daily basis for the past 5 months.

We all know not all Israelis support blocking aid and not all IDF soldiers commit war crimes, the problem with that 5% you mentioned is that it signals a systematic problem in the Israeli gov because it continues to allow it. That 5% in a month will turn into 50% and become the standard if it's not stopped; instead, it's praised by gov officials like Ben Gvir's comment and his support for the Flour Massacre. 

Narratives change because of introduction of new information. The Israeli gov hasn't presented any new actions or proposals to make Pro-Palestinian people change their pre-narrative. If anything, it has confirmed the most extreme narrative out there which is the genocidal and ethnic cleansing intent.  On the other hand, some Pro-Israeli people are still stuck in Oct 7 narrative and regardless of how much new information they are being presented with in regards to what's taking place in Gaza, they still support this war.

Well said and good example of how UNRWA funding is being reinstated (and increased) by Canada now. Thats exactly the point of public commentary and shifting the narrative rather than have it maliciously controlled by vested interests. The damage has already been done as funding had been pulled but hopefully the return of some funders help alleviate the suffering of the Palestinians.

On 06/03/2024 at 9:22 AM, Vrubel said:

This is not what's happening. If you would really care to know the truth you would not be engaged in playing such sneaky agenda-driven games. Even if some false individual claims arose and were later proven false this does not diminish the absolute animalistic savagery and sadistic barbarity of the attack. The truth is already so starkly horrific enough you're not serving the truth by playing this game of finding some false claims and running with it like Forest Gump. You're only serving your narrative by mushing every bit of information through your own specific frame. Believe me Israelis, even children know what the truth of 7/10 is.

I started my longer comment with this: ''Theirs a difference between denying atrocity and debunking amplified stories about atrocities which have been used for propaganda - to propagate and justify further atrocities.''  Meaning, false claims are used to cause untold suffering which is why they need to be checked - in the hopes that things can be de-escalated. The same should happen on false claims being made of Israel and Israelis which only deepens the hate.  As Lina said, with new information we change our perspective - if Israel allows investigative bodies to verify claims and they come out to be true most people would happily accept them. 

The point is that in the name of 1 day of atrocity occurring, the response of 150 days of atrocities and suffering towards the Palestinians is being justified by the Israeli side (human shield, hostages). If we want to view it just by the numbers which is silly to be comparative like that but just as a thought exercise to get the point across:

 Could we say that the Palestinians having suffered for 150 days versus Israel having suffered for 1 day - means they are now justified to cause 150x this amount of suffering in their own self defence and revenge towards Israel? That would be 60 years of pain (almost a whole life time).  Imagine how silly it would be if they justified that and said their trying to get to the Israeli government and the likes of Ben Gvir etc but they need to get through the Isreali population who they call human shields and blockade the entire population into starvation as a tactic to pressure the few extremist elites as a negotiation tactic.

Edited March 7 by zazen

[Vrubel]

@zazen I already explained it, read again what I wrote in my last few posts. Maybe even contemplate and reflect a bit. Right now you’re just talking past me so there is nothing I can do. The level of discourse here is so low that I am not even arguing or showing you other (perhaps more sophisticated) narratives and POVs but I am simply defending the truth of 7/10 from the onslaught of your all-corrupting claws/narrative pushing. 

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

14 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

@zazen I already explained it, read again what I wrote in my last few posts. Maybe even contemplate and reflect a bit. Right now you’re just talking past me so there is nothing I can do. The level of discourse here is so low that I am not even arguing or showing you other (perhaps more sophisticated) narratives and POVs but I am simply defending the truth of 7/10 from the onslaught of your all-corrupting claws/narrative pushing. 

   Which post are you asking @zazen to refer to? I got about 324 post from you in this thread alone.

[Nivsch]

@zazen Enough with the naiveness. UNRWA has been proven to be connected to hamas and giving blind eye to terror behind any doubt. 

Edited March 7 by Nivsch

[Merkabah Star]

Zazen is the most logical person here. 

Maybe we all need a ceasefire on this thread.

 

Edited March 7 by Merkabah Star

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

2 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

Zazen is the most logical person here. 

Maybe we all need a ceasefire on this thread.

 

   And I'm the second most logical as well. I also agree we all need a ceasefire in this thread, it's going nowhere and we're actually talking in circles. I've counted so @Nivsch had like 437 posts here, @Vrubel had 324-sorry it's now 326 posts now, @Heaven like under 10 here in total. Like the majority of posts here are just loose arguing back and forth, and while I like to argue it's getting convoluted and @Leo Gura or @Thought Art maybe should lock the thread for maybe 4 days, just to give all of us a breather. We're all just basically huffing and puffing onto this thread thinking it's getting somewhere.

[Heaven]

We can agree to disagree😅 That’s why peace with Palestinians never happens. 
 

The funny part that most of you live in a Western country and you wouldn’t be able to live for a single day in an Arab country🤣

[Jehovah increases]

And with such learned minds that are so-called awake or enlightened. Yet you still argue and quarrel among yourselves, and have thus far not found a solution. What hope would the rest have?

 

         

[Raze]

 

[Danioover9000]

@Heaven

1 hour ago, Heaven said:

We can agree to disagree😅 That’s why peace with Palestinians never happens. 
 

The funny part that most of you live in a Western country and you wouldn’t be able to live for a single day in an Arab country🤣

   I legit think that @Leo Gura or @Thought Art gotta impose a ceasefire right now, lock the thread for a couple of days or so, then reopen it. Seriously this thread's sucking away most of our time away from journaling here or something else outside of this forum. Like I've taken a break and recovered from this thread, so really take a break you all from this drama from just this thread, have a long intermission.

@Jehovah increases

49 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

And with such learned minds that are so-called awake or enlightened. Yet you still argue and quarrel among yourselves, and have thus far not found a solution. What hope would the rest have?

 

         

   As stated so long ago, in another thread on another sub forum, spirituality is hard especially when survival is on the line.

   Unless you're Emiya Shirou and live in the Fate Stay universe, people die when they are killed. No one has Avalon, no one has healing factor and immortality, there's no holy grail to make any kind of wishes, so yes spirituality is particularly hard.

Edited March 8 by Danioover9000

[Raze]

 

 

interesting chart explaining the traumatic experience of a average Gazan 14 year old (this chart was made in 2021, it does not include the current war) 

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

1 hour ago, Raze said:

 

 

interesting chart explaining the traumatic experience of a average Gazan 14 year old (this chart was made in 2021, it does not include the current war) 

   Good example of developmental psychology. Also trauma is generational too, not just individualistic.

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3 hours ago, Heaven said:

We can agree to disagree😅 That’s why peace with Palestinians never happens. 
 

The funny part that most of you live in a Western country and you wouldn’t be able to live for a single day in an Arab country🤣

😀

I’m sure we would all get along if we went out for dinner together. We just can’t talk about this topic. 🤡

I wouldn’t want to live in an Arab country. The food would be lovely though and I’m sure the people are nice, it’s just culturally too different to the west. I even find going to the USA as a culture shock, so many bad areas and it’s so dirty. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

And I'm the second most logical as well.

That’s debatable, but you are entertaining. 🤡

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

 

 

interesting chart explaining the traumatic experience of a average Gazan 14 year old (this chart was made in 2021, it does not include the current war) 

Blockage 🤣

But seriousely, if Saudi and Amirates (or some similar version with moderate Arab countries) will take the charge then Gazans life will be much better than all of the tragic last 20 years under hamas.

But Netanyahu is terrible and always run from any geopolitical creative thinking what makes US to now seeth with anger on him for a good reason. 

Edited March 8 by Nivsch

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[Danioover9000]

   New footages:

   And Ben Shapiro triggered: