Posted March 3 @Nivsch 4 minutes ago, Nivsch said: No. There is a huge difference between the good intentions of aljazeera and that of Israel. I saw the whole video of course two years ago. Maybe in the specifics and details of the small picture are there differences, but not when it's the bigger picture. The bigger picture and long term developmental factors involved, both sides are biased and preferential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) @Danioover9000 Of course in the big picture. The developmental differences are night and day. Israel is similar to USA average and have big chunks of the population who are like New York and California and in the other side the more rural countries in USA too. Its a mixture. Anyone who will deny that is, sorry, but deluded in that issue. Edited March 3 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 @Nivsch 2 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Danioover9000 Of course in the big picture. The developmental differences are night and day. Israel is similar to USA average and have big chunks of the population who are like New York and California and in the other side the more rural countries in USA too. Its a mixture. No, you're twisting what I've said. I said in the small picture yes there's differences, but in the big picture it's similar and the same: all have biases and preferences, pro Israel is a bias for Israel, pro Palestinians is a bias for Palestine, both are biased, and all are biased in the big picture. I'm saying you think in tiny small picture, not the big picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) @Danioover9000 Ok. Yes. Everyone have their biasies. But bias is also experience in your side's world. Edited March 3 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: No. There is a huge difference between the good intentions of aljazeera and that of Israel. I saw the whole video of course two years ago. 😄 of course you think that they think the same thing. Edited March 3 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said: @Nivsch And? Have you forgotten we live in a democracy? Where there are diverse ranges of perspectives and views on this issue? Why simplify it all down and say Aljazeera, Owen Jones, The Young Turks or even any other Channel with some pro Palestinian views are all evil and bad? He is a biased actor in the situation. So, when you read his responses simply realize his survival interests. Israel needs to believe it is good and right to kill tens or hundreds of thousands. In their mind this is a good thing. It’s bad for everyone else who has biases against killing and starving and wounding that many people. People tend prefer and base their views around what is good for them. Also assume the information he is surrounded by and the background he comes from. Then, do the same thing for yourself. You also have biases that shape your world view. Edited March 3 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Thought Art said: Israel needs to believe it is good and right to kill tens or hundreds of thousands. In their mind this is a good thing. For them is necessary, the same as the Americans saw it necessary to drop two atomic bombs on two Japanese cities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 (edited) Edited March 3 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: For them is necessary, the same as the Americans saw it necessary to drop two atomic bombs on two Japanese cities. How is it necessary? -it is not necessary to save hostages, they’ve killed way more than they’ve saved -it is not necessary for defense, inside Gaza Hamas normally can’t do anything but send rockets which rarely hit the target, Oct 7 happened because they removed border security from Gaza to go to the West Bank and help settlers, also not necessary as settlers don’t need to be there -it is not necessary for future safety, just like with prior wars this just sows seeds for future violence and risks war with other groups like Hezbollah and Houthi’s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, Raze said: -it is not necessary for future safety, just like with prior wars this just sows seeds for future violence and risks war with other groups like Hezbollah and Houthi’s. It is necessary to show their enemies, that are a lot, that confronting them has terrible consequences. The other option is abandon the land. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: It is necessary to show their enemies, that are a lot, that confronting them has terrible consequences. The other option is abandon the land. So why weren’t any of these prior conflicts enough to serve that purpose and how do they know this current onslaught will? https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Raze said: -it is not necessary for future safety, just like with prior wars this just sows seeds for future violence and risks war with other groups like Hezbollah and Houthi’s. How to know? "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Raze said: Deconstructing Property Rights (actualized.org) https://www.actualized.org/insights/deconstructing-property-rights Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3 54 minutes ago, Thought Art said: How to know? Because it’s already happened dozens of times. Israel refuses to remove the blockade or settlers, Hamas feels their popularity threatened so they attack, Israel bombards them and Hamas recruits the orphans and they negotiate a cease fire to temporarily reduce some restrictions, repeat. Meanwhile we have examples of other extremist groups stopping when their concerns are taken seriously and they are given political solutions like the IRA. Even the PLO gave up violence thanks to the OSLO accords because they at least saw some possibility of a state. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Posted March 4 @Thought Art 6 hours ago, Thought Art said: He is a biased actor in the situation. So, when you read his responses simply realize his survival interests. Israel needs to believe it is good and right to kill tens or hundreds of thousands. In their mind this is a good thing. It’s bad for everyone else who has biases against killing and starving and wounding that many people. People tend prefer and base their views around what is good for them. Also assume the information he is surrounded by and the background he comes from. Then, do the same thing for yourself. You also have biases that shape your world view. Ture, I duality noted. We're all stuck in this multiplex multi dimensional chess and Chinese Go hybrid game, each point of view entangled with biases of our metanarratives and each other. Or as Daniel Schmachtenberger put it we're in Molloch situation where we should ideally be in Game B but we're incentivised deeply to play Game A to outcomes orient and out compete the other players over limited resources. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4 9 hours ago, Thought Art said: I logged in to post this vid. The pro Israel crowd will disable it as disinformation. It’s all there, it’s all their footage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4 (edited) @Merkabah Star Yes, but their presentation is biased. Just watch the videos themselves and think you what think. Listen to the soldiers themselves what do they say? Edited March 4 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
