Posted March 1 (edited) @Nivsch Respect how you consistently hit the nail on its head and remain so principled and gentle. Here is a video of another gentle liberal Israeli that makes some good points: I would add there is a literal-without-the-hyperbolic-bullshit genocide going on in Darfur (again). But nobody cares because it's committed by Arabs against an African people. (I would like to see South Africa file a court complaint for their "brothers".) The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a conflict deluxe for journalists because they can get easy access and be relatively safe. You cannot say the same about the Sudan for example. So this and the fact there are Jews involved makes it a profitable hot topic for the media. And this time Jews don't stand for Christ-killers, Communism or Capitalism but are the very face of the absolute evils of white colonialism, Western imperialism and nationism (because god forbid people are patriotic and look out for each other and their country). Go Figure the anti-Semitic and anti-historical ignorance. This major media overrepresentation for views and money overshadows the fact that of all the oppressed people in the world, Palestinians are the least so. Muslims and Arabs are in Conflict from the Western Sahara and all across to Pakistan and even the Philippines had a terrorist insurgency as of late. So don't act like Palestinians are totally innocent and have zero responsibility. Much of what you call occupation consists of necessary security measures. Without "occupation" Hamas would take over and rule a real country and instigate more savagery and war, that's also why it's important that Israel finishes the job and removes Hamas from power. (I still believe in two states but for that bona fide guarantees are absolutely necessary.) It's also kind of a cruel joke to the Gazans if they have to live through the hell of this war but Hamas will remain in power. It will be then a matter of time till the next massive war. Edited March 2 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1 (edited) @Nivsch I don’t really know the history. But, yeah, you are biased. But, who isn’t? If you were Palestinian you would likely be pro freeing Palestine. Yet, by chance were born into Again, willing to be wrong and correct myself. But uh, what’s happening there is a lot of death and starving of civilians. If you are going to talk about putting yourself in the parents of Israeli shoes who have hostages, you also should put your shoes in all the Palestinian mothers clutching their dead babies. It’s a conflict, and I’m not trying to judge one side or the other. I am however, trying to see it from both sides and to slowly allow my understanding to develop over time. 1,400 Israeli died in october 25,000 women and children are reported dead in Gaza… Biases biases. Whose lives are worth more? Depends who you are Edited March 1 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1 Is insteresting watching this blog video from Leo Gura about Property Rigths and then ask: Where in the Universe is writen that Israel Cant do what is doing? Yes, from a Moral,Ethos, and Legal perspective they cant. But from a Universal and even Nature perspective a Lion cant be stoped to jump over a gazelle. https://www.actualized.org/insights/deconstructing-property-rights Attention. I am not in favor of what is going on. Would be amazing if there was peace in every corner of the planet. But the fact is: No being will come to stop it. So is in the people hands to stop or it will never stop till we destroy everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vrubel said: @Nivsch Respect how you consistently hit the nail on its head and remain so principled and gentle. Of all the oppressed people in the world, Palestinians are the least so. Muslims and Arabs are in Conflict from the Western Sahara all across to Pakistan and even the Philippines had a terrorist insurgency as of late. So don't act like Palestinians are totally innocent and have zero responsibility. Much of what you call occupation consists of necessary security measures. Without "occupation" Hamas would take over and rule a real country and instigate more savagery and war, that's also why it's important that Israel finishes the job and removes Hamas from power. It's also kind of a cruel joke to the Gazans if they have to live through the hell of this war but Hamas will remain in power. It will be then a matter of time till the next massive war. Thank you! 🙂 nice to hear. You too provide high quality insights including this message and you are an asset to this discussion. Edited March 1 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 1 @Nivsch For those who are decent, open and have a sense of truth our posts hit like bricks of solid insight. (Not talking about the people hellbound on their narrow narrative and crusade of willful ignorance, demonization and self-defeatism.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) Lula president of Brazil on the genocide of the Palestinian people. "The humanitarian tragedy in Gaza requires all of us to be able to say enough is enough to the collective punishment that the Israeli government is imposing on the Palestinian people. People are dying in the queue for food and the indifference of the international community is shocking. I would like to take advantage of the presence of our dear fellow UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres to propose a Celac motion for an immediate end to this genocide. The Secretary General can invoke Article 99 of the UN Charter to bring to the attention of the Council an issue that threatens international peace and security. I would also like to ask the five permanent members of the UN Security Council to put aside their differences and put an end to this slaughter. The carnage must stop in the name of the survival of humanity, which needs a lot of humanism." It's beautiful to see someone with integrity speaking up about this shit. Lula has earned even more of my respect. Edited March 2 by Vibes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) Western, liberal, humanitarian bias, democratic Edited March 2 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) I made some edits to my previous post. Definitely worth a reread: I would add there is a literal-without-the-hyperbolic-bullshit genocide going on in Darfur (again). But nobody cares because it's committed by Arabs against an African people. (I would like to see South Africa file a court complaint for their "brothers".) The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a conflict deluxe for journalists because they can get easy access and be relatively safe. You cannot say the same about the Sudan for example. So this and the fact there are Jews involved makes it a profitable hot topic for the media. And this time Jews don't stand for Christ-killers, Communism or Capitalism but are the very face of the absolute evils of white colonialism, Western imperialism and nationism (because god forbid people are patriotic and look out for each other and their country). Go Figure the anti-Semitic and anti-historical ignorance. This major media overrepresentation for views and money overshadows the fact that of all the oppressed people in the world, Palestinians are the least so. Muslims and Arabs are in Conflict from the Western Sahara and all across to Pakistan and even the Philippines had a terrorist insurgency as of late. So don't act like Palestinians are totally innocent and have zero responsibility. Much of what you call occupation consists of necessary security measures. Without "occupation" Hamas would take over and rule a real country and instigate more savagery and war, that's also why it's important that Israel finishes the job and removes Hamas from power. (I still believe in two states but for that bona fide security guarantees are absolutely necessary.) It's also kind of a cruel joke to the Gazans if they have to live through the hell of this war but Hamas will remain in power. It will be then a matter of time till the next massive war. Edited March 2 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 Just a friendly reminder: There are no winners in war. I AM itching for the truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 “Now the war is won… how come, nothing tastes good?” "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thought Art said: “Now the war is won… how come, nothing tastes good?” At the end of the day all there is, is a musical note. The entrance to true existence/your true nature. Music heals all, even Gaza and their apocalypse. One fine morning, I'm gonna ride out Just me and the skeleton crew We're gonna ride out in a country kind of silence Yea, one fine morning Yeah, it's all coming back to me now My apocalypse My apocalypse one fine morning, Bill Callahan. Edited March 2 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) Everyone is sharing good points from different perspectives. It’s important to realize how relative this is. Each person will see the conflict differently. All judgement is relative to a large degree. How best to govern, how best to handle situations, is beyond my capacity to understand. But, I must be willing to understand this from the highest possible perspective over time. I don’t know how much I don’t know. I am attempting to perceive a super position of all possible viewpoints, opinions and perspectives. This takes not knowing, observation, multi-perspective-ism, recontextualization, understanding of bias, collective bias, survival, corruption, selfishness, social matrix, forgiveness, letting go, open mindedness, Self love etc etc However, I find as I contemplate my bias leans in and out. Toward one side or the other. Or this way is best it that way is best. Or this is what is happening or that is what is happening. What is true? What is best for humanity in the long term? I don’t know. Fundamentally the goal is to love mankind. That, mankind be well. That man kind be peaceful. War, is often a seed of peace. Surely, peace will come. But, the events that lead there no one knows. It’s also challenging because I can’t tell what is fact from fiction. It’s not clear what information is correct. I have degrees of accepting. But, I don’t know. Edited March 2 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 @Rafael Thundercat 11 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said: Second to This guy, people dont figth for food, land or resources but they figth fot stories in their minds What do you think? I think he's partly right kn that senee, but it'll depend on many developmental factors, and it's relative to the situation. Hierarchy and heuristic will rearrange. For example most will prioritize the meta metanarratives indoctrinated into their minds, but of their stage beige value of hunger, thirst, lack of water, food, lack of shelter from the weather climate and elements of nature, disease, injuries, anything to threaten death to an organism it'll prioritize SURVIVAL over stories, or facts. For instance this while theead is a game of SURVIVAL of stories of one side being good/right, the other is bad and evil. Or a game of deception, denial and obfuscation of TRUTH of what's really happening before your eyes. And Osho is right, Israel is artificially created by the west, so even of the Jewish people leave the west will make another Israel because the collective ego of the west still wants influence in that region against Russia ego and the Iran ego. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, Vrubel said: I made some edits to my previous post. Definitely worth a reread: I would add there is a literal-without-the-hyperbolic-bullshit genocide going on in Darfur (again). But nobody cares because it's committed by Arabs against an African people. (I would like to see South Africa file a court complaint for their "brothers".) This major media overrepresentation for views and money overshadows the fact that of all the oppressed people in the world, Palestinians are the least so. Muslims and Arabs are in Conflict from the Western Sahara and all across to Pakistan and even the Philippines had a terrorist insurgency as of late. I share most of your views. But I want to add that Palestinian brother people (Arabs) could do more than gaslight the rest of the world for its inaction. The Arab league is also responsible for this catastrophe. Edited March 2 by ArcticGong New points added Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 (edited) Shabbat Shalom from Israel 🌼 Edited March 2 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 2 @Raze 1 hour ago, Raze said: How anyone plays denial and ignorance over these is astonishing. I wouldn't live with myself like that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
