Posted February 25 (edited) @Anton Rogachevski Great interview. Since he is an ex-Gazan I feel it is more important than usual to sammaries his interview more prominently this time. Edited February 25 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, Yimpa said: Kind of like how Hitler felt the need to clean his nation. Hatred never wins in the long-term. I won't respond to that. This is insane. Check your comparisons and pre biases about Israelis you have a lot of work to do from what I see. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, Nivsch said: I won't respond to that. This is insane. Check your comparisons and pre biases about Israelis you have a lot of work to do from what I see. I don’t equate what terrorist organizations are doing compared to governments. However, it is important to realize that all sides are expressing hate one way or another, to different degrees. I AM false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) Part 2 of @Anton Rogachevski Link summary. You want to believe it ok, you want not to believe ok too I only can put this here. I know the Israeli culture for 36 years and saw and heard conversations and our education for years. Not just the trauma response you judge. Edited February 25 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) I can feel the pain of this war from both sides. Not just one. Imagine a child watching their mother and father arguing constantly. Which side does the child choose? Edited February 25 by Yimpa I AM false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yimpa said: I can feel the pain of this war from both sides. Not just one. Imagine a child watching their mother and father arguing constantly. Which side does the child choose? To ensure the whole body's long term health (Israelis + Palestinians) you need to decide who is the real virus (terrorist) and who is the immune system even if indeed overreacted and caused extra damage. Being neutral won't do any good long term. Edited February 25 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 @Nivsch i will contemplate on that more, thank you I AM false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Yimpa said: @Nivsch i will contemplate on that more, thank you I understand now you didn't want to equate Israelis approach on Gaza to "hitler" but just showed an example of a militant approach. Thank you too for your openness and make your own conclusions and if things are disturbing you open them and we can talk. Edited February 25 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: @Raze Yes very sad. Don't forget to blame also hamas in this, he is the main responsible. Thank you. They aren’t in this case, Israel is restricting aid not Hamas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) @Raze How simple and convenient. You have to fine tune the aid to maintain some pressure on hamas to agree a hostages deal. Edited February 25 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Raze How simple and convenient. You have to fine tune the aid to maintain some pressure on hamas to agree a hostages deal. Regardless they can’t be blamed for what Israel is doing any more than Israel can be blamed for what they are doing. To an extant both react to each other and thus are to blame but ultimately primarily everyone is to blame for what they choose to do. I also don’t see how letting children starve helps a hostage deal, if it was that important Israel would have agreed to their initial all for all proposal. Edited February 25 by Raze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 26 US soldier sets himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington to protest war on Gaza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 26 @royce wow, he’s in critical condition but still alive. I AM false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 26 37 minutes ago, Yimpa said: @royce wow, he’s in critical condition but still alive. god bless him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 26 Nevermind, he has now died. RIP https://abc7chicago.com/amp/us-air-force-aaron-bushnell-man-dies-set-himself-on-fire/14469653/ I AM false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 26 (edited) @Yimpa RIP Edited February 26 by royce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 27 https://x.com/omarvaid/status/1762290588735721487?s=20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 27 On 2/25/2024 at 8:42 PM, Nivsch said: You have to fine tune the aid to maintain some pressure on hamas to agree a hostages deal. Isn't it a logical contradiction for some Israeli's to say that Hamas are so savage they don't even care about their people suffering above ground - but then they think they can pressure Hamas to give up or agree to a hostage exchange by bringing about suffering to the people they fight for by restricting aid. If the view is that Hamas are so savage and don't care about their people, why then think that restricting aid and bombing innocent people would pressure Hamas while their immune from it underground? Besides strategy - it seems the whole conversation about it being morally abhorrent to collectively punish a people seems to be absent because its now become normalised after months of war crimes that the US keeps co-signing on and only paying lip service to the fact they are 'concerned' yet not doing anything tangible but instead continue vetoing ceasefires. Disgusting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 27 (edited) @zazen Obviously hamas doesn't care at all about the citizens and take the food to itself as much as it can. Less aid can make the citizens put pressure on hamas to agree a deal and even more so to make hamas fear about its own food supply. Edited February 27 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: @zazen Obviously hamas doesn't care at all about the citizens and take the food to itself as much as it can. Less aid can make the citizens put pressure on hamas to agree a deal and even more so to make hamas fear about its own food supply. What is the evidence that Hamas is stealing aid? The US envoy said Israel has not provided any. Restricting aid for political reasons is a war crime because it causes starvation. https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/six-grave-violations/denial-of-humanitarian-access/ Edited February 27 by Raze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
