Posted February 23 11 hours ago, Nivsch said: Do you understand that hamas survival strategy, just like breathing, is to hide as cleverly as it can behind civilians? Bro I am proud of you. You still answer rationally to someone who is ranting the same thing over and over again. He seems possessed by this topic. @Karmadhi For your own sanity, you should do something else rather then talking shit about Israel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23 (edited) The whole anti semitism thing was just a guilt trip. Israelis will throw it in your face as a deflection. They say everyone in the world hates them even though they are the only ones allowed to do whatever they want and nobody stops them. So the world isn't as anti semitic as they want you to believe BUT in the past 4 months they have bred so much hate that it now actually maybe a problem. People think that Hamas is just gonna get larger but never consider that new groups will be invented in that region. So it won't just be Hezbollah ISIS or the Taliban there will be many many new organizations maybe a dozen all causing never ending havoc. They will all just start popping up one by one establishing themselves and making themselves known. Everything is so close and connected there. It's true that peace there wont be complete without the freedom of Palestine. These new organizations will have learned the lessons and mistakes of the past ones and develop new advanced levels of "terrorism" both physical and cyber now that there is social media. Not only will it cause havoc in that region but they will attack western countries like the current organizations do. And then to make it even worse the governments of those western countries will turn on its own people and use these attacks to implement surveillance so imagine more patriot act type laws and cameras to protect from the "terrorism" that is being provoked This will manifest in unpredictable and predictable ways and extremely horrific ways for years to come and it's going to cause so much suffering Edited February 23 by Twentyfirst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23 What do you think of what Bernie is communicating here? I AM itching for the truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23 (edited) 10 hours ago, Heaven said: Bro I am proud of you. You still answer rationally to someone who is ranting the same thing over and over again. He seems possessed by this topic. @Karmadhi For your own sanity, you should do something else rather then talking shit about Israel. Yes this topic is not logical in its essense. It is a spiritual topic. Edited February 23 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23 (edited) 14 hours ago, Heaven said: For your own sanity, you should do something else rather then talking shit about Israel. 3 others just posted here calling out their atrocities. If I stop the criticism will not stop. I will just post this here and stop posting on this thread. You are right, it is a waste of time at this point. This is my last post on this thread. I found this randomly on Tik Tok. https://www.tiktok.com/@rubiy888/video/7337655183574371617?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7338839385223824928 @Nivsch @Heaven @Vrubel This is the type of commentary I would have expected from Israelis on this forum. Being able to put themselves in the other person shoes and empathizing with the other rather than just continuing the violence. Watch it and reflect on yourselves. As long as Israelis do not think like this, the conflict will never end. And to think the Israeli on the clip actually had family members affected by Hamas rockets. Insane maturity from hil. Edited February 23 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23 Here is a little girl working very hard to survive, all with a smile on her face I AM itching for the truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 24 (edited) @Karmadhi You chose to run away from the question above. The excess material damage problem is real with this I agree. Israelis are also getting killed every day in Gaza if you weren't pay attention. An exercise question: would you react the same if Portugal murdered 1500 spanish people and Spain in response would act similarly to Israel (which is very likely)? Edited February 24 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 24 (edited) @Raze I think you cannot expect empathy from pro Isralis here if you refuse to acknowledge Israelis trauma and instead just dehumanize them and avoid responsibility from your side. This conflict will end when both sides will recognize their equal right and belonging both of them have on this land. After all, most of the Palestinians came here only a little before Israel was established. Edited February 24 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: An exercise question: would you react the same if Portugal murdered 1500 spanish people and Spain in response would act similarly to Israel (which is very likely)? Yes I would. Especially if Portugal had oppressed and murdered the Spanish for decades beforehand. Even without that background I still would. Genocide on live tv will always get that response. Israelis are not immune to it. I do not think they would act the same way. I have never seen this amount of hatred and desire to make others suffer in my life. Both sides here have hatred which is unseen anywhere else in the world. Armenia and Azerbajan come close but this is far worse. When USA was hit on 9/11 did the public support genocide and starving millions of kids? I don't think so. And that was in 2001. Few days ago one of your lovely ministers made a speech where she felt proud about Gaza being destroyed. I never saw any such speech from a US minister. Edited February 24 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Posted February 24 @Karmadhi Ok as I suspected - a waste of time 🙂 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Karmadhi said: Yes I would. Especially if Portugal had oppressed and murdered the Spanish for decades beforehand. Even without that background I still would. Genocide on live tv will always get that response. Israelis are not immune to it. I do not think they would act the same way. I have never seen this amount of hatred and desire to make others suffer in my life. Both sides here have hatred which is unseen anywhere else in the world. Armenia and Azerbajan come close but this is far worse. When USA was hit on 9/11 did the public support genocide and starving millions of kids? I don't think so. And that was in 2001. Few days ago one of your lovely ministers made a speech where she felt proud about Gaza being destroyed. I never saw any such speech from a US minister. All this rational exercises are made based on assumptions and in subjective outcomes. We make a choice and then we think what outcome would result if x or y or z would be the case. I am not makimg a critic if this way of thinking. This is exacly who political actors make their choices. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) @Raze Yes very sad. Don't forget to blame also hamas in this, he is the main responsible. Thank you. Edited February 25 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Raze Yes very sad. Don't forget to blame also hamas in this, he is the main responsible. Thank you. What is most important is turning inward and observing how we blame ourselves. Not running away from pain, but actually feeling it and understanding it. I AM itching for the truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Yimpa said: What is most important is turning inward and observing how we blame ourselves. Not running away from pain, but actually feeling it and understanding it. It is hard to do self reflection in a thread infected with toxic unjust rediculous misunderstanding of Israeli culture. Edited February 25 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 25 Just now, Nivsch said: Yes but to clean a toxic unjust rediculous misunderstanding of Israeli culture that this thread is infected with feel often more needed to me. Kind of like how Hitler felt the need to clean his nation. Hatred never wins in the long-term. I AM itching for the truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
