Posted February 17 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's like if I was hunting for birds with sticks of dynamite and when the bird lands on your house I throw the dynamite through the window of your child's bedroom. I dont know Leo. There are so many terror targets and booby traps to attack built over 18 years for IDF and we all know hamas tactic to get mixed with civilians. Maybe 1.5 : 1 ratio is unavoidable. Maybe it could be better. Maybe not. I really dont know the answer. I think that if my government wanted to kill indiscriminantly the ratio was 20:1 (and not 1.5:1). I can agree that the exaggerated material damage is maybe affected by the fact that the goverment is very radical in relation to Israel's average. But about the casualities I tend to think differently than you. IDF could not bomb anything but then invade a terror base full of traps in every neighborhood built especially for it for 18 years and fall like cards in front of it. Edited February 17 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 (edited) If you compare the absolute numbers of civilians killed, the IDF numbers are insane next to Oct 7th. Not to mention the property damage. Edited February 17 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's like if I was hunting for birds with sticks of dynamite and when the bird lands on your house I throw the dynamite through the window of your child's bedroom. That is a bit of an exaggeration. If the U.S was invaded like Israel was what would we do? Feminist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: If you compare the absolute numbers of civilians killed, the IDF numbers are insane next to Oct 7th Why would you use the absolute numbers of civilians killed to establish intent? I already gave posts why thats a much worse metric to go by compared to relative risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: If you compare the absolute numbers of civilians killed, the IDF numbers are insane next to Oct 7th. Not to mention the property damage. But this war's goal is to eliminate hamas completely. This will necessarily take so much more time than the oct 7th attack. Then of course the damage will be far higher. Edited February 17 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 1 minute ago, MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI said: Haha Leo does not live in Israel. Do you fight in war for Israel? There is always a bias. The U.S is no different or better when it comes to war and killing of civilians. Why are people that live in USA and Israel so confident that what they choose to do with their tax dollars will never come back to bite them in the ass? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nivsch said: But this war's goal is to eliminate hamas completely. This will necessarily take so much more time than the oct 7th attack. Then of course the damage will be far higher. A good analogy here is if I was hunting rats with dynamite. And my goal was to completely elimate all the rats in your city. Edited February 17 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 (edited) @Danioover9000 If you want to engage productively stop posturing and virtue signaling - literally no one cares. Everyone has emotions and feelings around this topic so I dont see how thats engage or contradicts anything that was said. 44 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: are facts that are subservient to biases and preferences and worldviews of any one ego. So many new and novel things being said there, good job. "you are biased, therefore I won't directly engage with anything that was said" - a very intelligent and productive way to argue. All of your points are stupid, because it can be used for both sides. I taught you werent in favour of relativising the morality of both sides. Waiting for another of your schizo-rants. Edited February 17 by zurew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 On 2/12/2024 at 1:10 PM, Revolutionary Think said: Same. He never even mentions October 7th and how Hamas's goal is world wide Jewish genocide. Isreal also doesn't deliberately target civilians but, Hamas definitely does. Tell that to Leo gura. All we know is what the media provides=propaganda Feminist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: A good analogy here is if I was hunting rats with dynamite. And my goal was to completely elimate all the rats in your city. Please Provide a "theoretical" solution. Attacking the reaction/response doesn't help others understand from a higher perspective. Feminist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: A good analogy here is if I was hunting rats with dynamite. And my goal was to completely elimate all the rats in your city. Do you have a better way? You can not bomb, but then your soldiers will fall like cards and in many thousands until the elimination of hamas will be completed (years). Edited February 17 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 (edited) @Thought Art Israelis dont want to live there except of 5% far right wingers. We have built a fence in billions not in order to conquer Gaza after that. This doesnt make sense. Edited February 17 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI said: Please Provide a "theoretical" solution. There simply isn't a way to elimate every rat in a city. That objective fails to understand the nature of the beast. Imagine if you made it your goal to kill every rat in your city? You would drive yourself and everyone insane. Rats must be managed, not eliminated. Edited February 17 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Thought Art said: @Nivsch I am not convinced it’s only a 5%, I think the numbers are larger. But, I’m only just figuring this out. I ask patience from you all. I am trying to see it unbiased and accurately which, I likely will fail at. Its ok 🙌 I appreciate your approach. All good. The talking about setteling in Gaza are really an extreme margins for all I can estimate as an Israeli citizen listening to our media and conversations. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: If you compare the absolute numbers of civilians killed, the IDF numbers are insane next to Oct 7th. Not to mention the property damage. 23 minutes ago, Nivsch said: But this war's goal is to eliminate hamas completely. This will necessarily take so much more time than the oct 7th attack. Then of course the damage will be far higher. Bro is so focused on the goal that the collateral damage of a whole city and thousands of innocent lives don’t even matter, he just looks the other way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: There simply isn't a way to elimate every rat in a city. That objective fails to understand the nature of the beast. Imagine if you made it your goal to kill every rat in your city? You would drive yourself and everyone insane. Rats must be managed, not eliminated. At least to eliminate enough of them to the level they can no longer dominate in the area and will agree to release our hostages I believe this is a real accelerating factor to all of this war's character. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 13 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Do you have a better way? You can not bomb, but then your soldiers will fall like cards and in many thousands until the elimination of hamas will be completed (years). If there’s isn’t a better way to to kill all the rats in the city, bomb the whole city, this is your logic?? Or the logic of your leaders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 Just now, Yousif said: Bro is so focused on the goal that the collateral damage of a whole city and thousands of innocent lives don’t even matter, he just looks the other way. This is a goal that has tried to be avoided so many time during the last 2 decades and tried to be managed in every way possible. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 this is a pure example of human selfishness and bias, as long as we are safe, fuck everyone else around us. I don’t really know how I would be able to go on living knowing I ruthlessly selfish/ biased/ vicious, and inhumane, i guess that explains why people ignore the facts as if they don’t exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17 There is an ancient Chinese saying: Don't use cannon to kill mosquito. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
