Posted February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Karmadhi said: West situation is interesting. They are basically slowly evolving to Green and going towards Green creates loss of some elements which can be seen as very important to Orange and especially Blue. Loss of ethnic dominance from immigration, loss of religion (Rise of atheism), loss of family unit and the whole LGBT stuff screams anti Blue. So for Blue people West is going to shit. However, it also removes some of the healthy factors of blue like low divorce rate, high birth rates (young people are needed to work) and also the whole green environment thing can damage the economic growth. So basically the West is loosing some of the benefits Blue gave it in exchange of Green benefits (more tolerance, more liberal, less inequality in economy and especially more care towards minorities). This is gonna create even more mental health problems, but this is unavoidable when green at the beginning moves too far away from its source. Edited February 2 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 3 (edited) I think this topic actively degenerates the consciousness of anyone on this forum who is engaging in it. There is no maturity to be found here. It's laughable how you guys interact with each other and analyse this conflict. Edited February 3 by Scholar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 3 29 minutes ago, Scholar said: this topic actively degenerates the consciousness The topic is not to blame. After spending some time away from the forum, I am in disbelief about what the users write and what I can infer about their minds and existence from the way they express themselves. All in all, it's entertaining sometimes. Also, what's laughable is that you seriously think consciousness can be degenerated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 3 46 minutes ago, Kshantivadin said: The topic is not to blame. After spending some time away from the forum, I am in disbelief about what the users write and what I can infer about their minds and existence from the way they express themselves. All in all, it's entertaining sometimes. Also, what's laughable is that you seriously think consciousness can be degenerated. Of course the topic is not to blame, it's the level of consciousness of the people on here. And consciousness of course can be degenerated. It just depends on what you mean by consciousness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 IMO a bad look on Destiny: Also the following 2 videos highlights the problems with this thread: Facts DO care about your feelings, but FEELINGS DON'T! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 @Kshantivadin On 03/02/2024 at 4:37 PM, Kshantivadin said: The topic is not to blame. After spending some time away from the forum, I am in disbelief about what the users write and what I can infer about their minds and existence from the way they express themselves. All in all, it's entertaining sometimes. Also, what's laughable is that you seriously think consciousness can be degenerated. Technically you could degenerate the expression of consciousness. For example some have heavy metal poisoning, or have CBT(concussive brain trauma) that can alter states of consciousness, especially behaviours. Another example is that one guy who survived a pipe blown inti his brain, but he degenerated from that and his developmental psychology changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 (edited) Can some of you on the other side stop belittling @Twentyfirst, @Karmadhi and @Merkabah Star? They've got some decent takes in this situation, especially @zazen. Mostly in terms of language or just the undertone of the back and forth is a bit hateful. Edited February 6 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said: Can some of you on the other side stop belittling @Twentyfirst, @Karmadhi and @Merkabah Star? They've got some decent takes in this situation, especially @zazen. Mostly in terms of language or just the undertone of the back and forth is a bit hateful. I don't feel like they are coming from hate but extreme ignorance. No matter how much evidence I provide they don't move an inch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 Basically no evidence has been found. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 Great interview with Alon Mizrahi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 On Israel (actualized.org) A video Leo posted on the blog about this conflict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 (edited) On 03/02/2024 at 5:02 PM, Scholar said: It's laughable how you guys interact with each other and analyse this conflict. I saw some of your first comments and you seem bias on the Israeli position so I doubt you are above this. You are quick to criticize Hamas devilry but you do not criticize Israel devilry much. Ignoring that decade long Israeli policies that went against International laws are the main reason Hamas is in power and the attack happened. Unless you are willing to admit this much, you cannot call yourself truly objective. Edited February 6 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 (edited) 8 hours ago, lina said: Yes it would be better if the eastern Jews used their connection to the Arabic culture they grew up nearby it, and utilize it to make closer relationships with the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs here, when our society were more acceptable to it. Every country will have to maintain some kind of a bubblish thinking in order to survive, and there is a tension here between this need and his personal need. But to draw this with only dark colors and to overlook hamas and Palestinians responsibility is an extremely biased approach he comes from and Owen nodded to with his head with that passion on his body language because it serves his anti Israeli emotional agenda. They are completely filter out the beauty and the many good sides and strengths Israel's society has. There are always trade offs with any direction we want to define ourselves towards. Edited February 6 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 @Nivsch 7 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Yes it would be better if the eastern Jews used their connection to the Arabic culture they grew up nearby it, and utilize it to make closer relationships with the Palestinians here. Every country will have to maintain a bubblish thinking in order to survive and there is a tension here between this need and his personal need. But to draw this with only dark colors is another thing, and also after that to preach about Gaza's situation without talk about hamas and Palestinians responsibility is right here the extremely biased approach he comes from and Owen nodded to with his head with that passion on his body language because it serves his anti Israeli emotional agenda. Nobody is saying Owen here isn't allowed to have his own ideological beliefs and biases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said: Nobody is saying Owen here isn't allowed to have his own ideological beliefs and biases. Agree, but when it becomes too rasping and dissonant it is better to point this out for what it is. Edited February 6 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 Just like Osho says, this Israel/Palestine conflict is a HUGE trap by the USA/UK. and Great insights here guys, just open your minds up and listen up. I don't even know why some people here hate Owen for expressing himself here, and saying his opinions. Maybe RSD get's more dates than you or something, like IDK. In a democracy he has rights to freedom of speech, to express his biases and preferences, even if he gets more lays than you it's more a you problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 (edited) 6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said: Just like Osho says, this Israel/Palestine conflict is a HUGE trap by the USA/UK. What a silly and gaslighty perspective. I bet America is created by the French as a huge trap to have the Civil War and 9/11. Israel was created by no one apart from Jews. It got legitimacy from a United Nations vote and yeah the territory was controlled by the British which was open to Jewish immigration (until it wasn't and Jews and Brits fought each other for a short while). After the British left, Israel declared independence. On the same day, surrounding Arab countries attacked and Israel fought a year-long war of independence. Noteworthy with smuggled WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia because of a global embargo. In that same war, many Palestinians fled and were not allowed to return, so for them it's the Nakba. Only somewhere around the 70's America developed a special relationship with Israel after it became clear that the country would survive and even thrive. I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history. Edited February 6 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 3 hours ago, Vrubel said: What a silly and gaslighty perspective. I bet America is created by the French as a huge trap to have the Civil War and 9/11. Israel was created by no one apart from Jews. It got legitimacy from a United Nations vote and yeah the territory was controlled by the British which was open to Jewish immigration (until it wasn't and Jews and Brits fought each other for a short while). After the British left, Israel declared independence. On the same day surrounding Arab countries attacked and Israel fought a year-long war of independence. Noteworthy with smuggled WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia because of a global embargo. In that same war, many Palestinians fled and were not allowed to return, so for them it's the Nakba, hence the conflict and the vicious cycle of terrorism and anti-terrorism. Somewhere around the 70's America developed a special relationship with Israel after it became clear that the country would survive and even thrive. I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history. Furthermore, America support many nations because they wanna avoid that the soviets or another big player fills the vacuum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 (edited) @Vrubel 4 hours ago, Vrubel said: What a silly and gaslighty perspective. I bet America is created by the French as a huge trap to have the Civil War and 9/11. Israel was created by no one apart from Jews. It got legitimacy from a United Nations vote and yeah the territory was controlled by the British which was open to Jewish immigration (until it wasn't and Jews and Brits fought each other for a short while). After the British left, Israel declared independence. On the same day, surrounding Arab countries attacked and Israel fought a year-long war of independence. Noteworthy with smuggled WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia because of a global embargo. In that same war, many Palestinians fled and were not allowed to return, so for them it's the Nakba. Only somewhere around the 70's America developed a special relationship with Israel after it became clear that the country would survive and even thrive. I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history. Technically the PLO/Palestine was formed by the KGB from Russia, and with some help from both Britain and the USA Israel formed, therefore it's a proxy war on the grander scheme of things between Israel/Palestine, which is why I agree with OSHO here: I never tagged you, yet you felt the immature need to jump on in. Please behave yourself, I don't want to argue or fling personal attacks back, it's a bad look to Actualized.org. Please stop insulting me here and m. Edited February 6 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 6 4 hours ago, Vrubel said: I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history. No condescending language please. This applies to everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
