Posted January 26 @Heaven 1 hour ago, Heaven said: I saw nothing but an opinion. No facts at all. If Israel would try to kill civilians it would be done a long time ago. Why do you keep reframing genocide as ONLY acts of killing civilians, and away from genocidal intent, population displacement, starvation tactics, and genocidal language and ethnic cleansing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @Vrubel 1 hour ago, Vrubel said: The most vile thing is that @Lila9 got banned while in a discussion with a deeply biased mushmind who denied/heavily downplayed 7/10 atrocities. But thats okey I guess!? But if you’re an Israeli expressing your very reasonable points you get banned. What a load of bullshit. I see your post as judgmental, demonizing another user, and name calling, and being conspiratorial in why @Lila9 was banned. What was so reasonable about @Lila9's 20 other posts recently other than inflammatory language and demonizing of the other side? Maybe you should take a break a bit if you're this triggered? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @Vrubel @Danioover9000 i dont see anybody got banned move along 🙏 There is nothing safe with playing it safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 (edited) @Vrubel I warned you guys. I will ban anti-Israeli biased people as well if I see them doubling down. Edited January 26 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 (edited) @NoSelfSelf 47 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said: @Vrubel @Danioover9000 i dont see anybody got banned move along 🙏 I'm sorry, pardon me. To clarify I meant @Lila9 was banned from this political sub forum, not banned from forum, according to Leo. I will move on too, and wish @Vrubel the best and move on. Edited January 26 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 (edited) @Karmadhi I thought you meant that hamas meant only to target soldiers (and not Israeli citizens) but after read it two times again I see you meant only to Gazan citizens that you think didn't want to target Israeli citizens. Ok. So I am taking back the "denial of 7.10" part. Edited January 26 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 Good riddance. She ruined this topic with her compulsion for death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 (edited) 18 minutes ago, StarStruck said: Good riddance. She ruined this topic with her compulsion for death. I don't think so, and I also think this is not fair to speak out against a person who cannot respond right now. I think @Lila9 shared many good and quite significant points from her own and from links too, and showed willingness to understand how the convesation should be in the improved form, but the emotions and the inertia got her to maybe add one link too much after the thread was already saturated from such things. I try to understand in a general sense what Leo felt and I think I can to some degree, but specifically about @Lila9 I really think she want to learn and change the way of approaching the conversation if need to. Edited January 26 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 At times Lila would share interesting viewpoints, at others she would emote and vent out rather than discuss. No one need be mean about it, decorum is valued. Bit of a mess for US/UK and Germany. They stated the case as baseless and meritless yet here we are - it has basis, merit and receipts. The orders were all in favour by all judges except Israel and some Uganda also. 1-2 vs 16. Now comes the test in how its responded to and if the very legal system the West created post WW2 is upheld by the West themselves. Interesting to see if US stands defiant and vetoes further resolutions. Many ramifications going forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @Lila9 @Nivsch 15 minutes ago, Nivsch said: I don't think so, and I also think this is not fair to speak out against a person who cannot respond right now. I think @Lila9 shared many good and quite significant points from her own and from links too, and showed willingness to understand how the convesation should be in the improved form, but the emotions and the inertia got her to maybe add one link too much after the thread was already saturated from such things. I try to understand in a general sense what Leo felt and I think I can to some degree, but specifically about @Lila9 I really think she want to learn and change the way of approaching the conversation if need to. But what about her posts recently, when some of it get's too personal and demonizing the pro Palestinian position? What about her past posts that were pretty inflammatory? If she, according to you, wants to learn and change approaches to conversation, and facilitate a good faith peaceful talks, why would she argue with so much ethos appealing and be heated when she could've toned it down and be objective?: 12 hours ago, Lila9 said: When 3000 UNRWA teachers in Gaza celebrating the October 7 massacre. People who supposed to be role models for the future generation. https://unwatch.org/group-of-3000-unrwa-teachers-celebrates-hamas-massacre-and-rape/ 12 hours ago, Lila9 said: If you hang in a social media pro-Palestinian echo chamber, you wouldn't see this: (link is removed for being too graphical) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @zazen 4 minutes ago, zazen said: At times Lila would share interesting viewpoints, at others she would emote and vent out rather than discuss. No one need be mean about it, decorum is valued. Bit of a mess for US/UK and Germany. They stated the case as baseless and meritless yet here we are - it has basis, merit and receipts. The orders were all in favour by all judges except Israel and some Uganda also. 1-2 vs 16. Now comes the test in how its responded to and if the very legal system the West created post WW2 is upheld by the West themselves. Interesting to see if US stands defiant and vetoes further resolutions. Many ramifications going forward. I agree. Regardless of how heated, we should show some decorum, not attack people too much, and remain objective when arguing from both sides. Felt like sometimes she would be very emotive and rant/vent, sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @StarStruck 40 minutes ago, StarStruck said: Good riddance. She ruined this topic with her compulsion for death. Chill, @Lila9 has her moments of civility in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @Leo Gura She got banned when standing up against 7/10 denial. Before that she even asked for objective principles. So get her back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @zazen 21 minutes ago, zazen said: At times Lila would share interesting viewpoints, at others she would emote and vent out rather than discuss. No one need be mean about it, decorum is valued. Bit of a mess for US/UK and Germany. They stated the case as baseless and meritless yet here we are - it has basis, merit and receipts. The orders were all in favour by all judges except Israel and some Uganda also. 1-2 vs 16. Now comes the test in how its responded to and if the very legal system the West created post WW2 is upheld by the West themselves. Interesting to see if US stands defiant and vetoes further resolutions. Many ramifications going forward. What do you think is the probability of Israel disobeying the ICJ ruling, or not? If they're found guilty of genocidal intent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @Nivsch do you think you are unbiased within this conflict? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @StarStruck 2 minutes ago, StarStruck said: @Nivsch do you think you are unbiased within this conflict? He was actually for the most part reasonable, just had his moments of emotional venting/ranting with the other users posting some very inflammatory stuff and links. Nobody here's perfect with being objective, plus he's living in Israel so I'd give him leeway a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 (edited) 22 minutes ago, StarStruck said: @Nivsch do you think you are unbiased within this conflict? There is no such a thing. I think truth is, in a sense at least, a war between biases that cannot be forcefully bypassed, but to be found graduately through the bias process. Edited January 26 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 I think we are all biased on this topic. I am. Lila certainly was. I don’t think she should be banned tho, but it’s Leo’s forum and he gave everyone enough warnings and she basically did a middle finger, on purpose. So. Maybe it can be a one week ban? We all needed this ceasefire on this thread, we are all off our heads. So it’s a blessing. Take this time to look at ourselves. We all need to be more like zazen. Classy and informative, with his bias in check. He gets my vote as the new president of Israel. 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @Merkabah Star 1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said: I think we are all biased on this topic. I am. Lila certainly was. I don’t think she should be banned tho, but it’s Leo’s forum and he gave everyone enough warnings and she basically did a middle finger, on purpose. So. Maybe it can be a one week ban? We all needed this ceasefire on this thread, we are all off our heads. So it’s a blessing. Take this time to look at ourselves. We all need to be more like zazen. Classy and informative, with his bias in check. He gets my vote as the new president of Israel. 😀 It's a one week temp ban from the political sub forum, so she can still post on other sub forums just not in the political sub forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Danioover9000 said: @Merkabah Star It's a one week temp ban from the political sub forum, so she can still post on other sub forums just not in the political sub forum. There is no time limit on the ban. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
