Posted January 25 War is a painful thing for both sides. Each side has its reasons and one side isn’t more right than the other. Gaza is the “victim” here because it’s a “minority”. I think on that we can agree. But if you look on the bigger picture you will see the it’s the Muslims(most of them) against the Jewish people. Now you can clearly see who is the minority and understand it’s reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 (edited) @kenway Calm down bro. Watch your language. Appreciate how privileged you are and the fact that don’t need to live in Israel nor Gaza. Edited January 25 by Heaven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Funny thing is that if Palestinians decide to murder these illegal settlers, they are called terrorists. These terms are used strategically rather than universally as a matter of principle and definition. @Nivsch Kenway literally provided a clip with no propaganda and even wrote “Very little context, but again gives a very brief glimpse into the magnitude of the desperation as the food crisis deepens.” That’s as good faith as your gonna get. The links I provided 2 pages back were news interviews or outlets (non-Al Jazeera) and a clip from the UN. We can’t control what the comments or captions are gonna be. Edited January 25 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @kenway I dont know what you are trying to do but I have nothing personal against you, apart from the method widespreaded here to upload unchecked links every 6 hours that only distorts and brainwashes the crowd opinions, even if you didnt meant to it. Thats all that I am saying. Like I said, I'm not responsible for the original Twitter text. It's not a question of "unchecked links". It's a case of being able to watch the video as raw content. I'm only responsible for my commentary, which I supplied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Heaven said: But if you look on the bigger picture you will see the it’s the Muslims(most of them) against the Jewish people. Now you can clearly see who is the minority and understand it’s reasons. +1 ❤️ Indeed the religion component is one factor but a significant one that cannot be overlooked. Edited January 25 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Nivsch said: +1 ❤️ Indeed the religion component is one factor but that cannot be overlooked. Sorry for being too general. Let me be more specific: Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Qatar, Yemen and those who abuse Jewish people on a daily basis no matter where you are in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 (edited) @zazenOke, fair enough The golden insight is that Jews are fighting for their naked survival. This is not a mere bias that can be shaken but is at the very core of every Israeli including very liberal ones. Another insight would be is that Israeli society is like family, very open, socially free, always ready to help or do their duty and from my well-traveled experience it is the most compassionate of all societies when it comes to the elderly, disabled and handicapped people. I’ve seen it, Israeli youngsters would pick up an old slowly walking grandpa and drive him to his home or help him with his groceries. On YT I even heard the story of a low life Russian drug addict who was’t even Jewish. He was picked off the street and stayed at the house of a very normal middle class Israeli family. Can you Imagine, having a drug addict where your children play and sleep. The addict reformed out of gratitude and became an devout orthodox christian, getting his life together. Even Naftalie Bennet, the former PM had a random mentally ill girl stay at his family home. She tragically committed suicide by dressing up in burka and charging at Israeli police with a knife. Israelis are not perfect and also bicker a lot and are sometimes too brazen and rash for my taste. But at the end of the day they create, build and take care of each other. And they get embittered and will close themselves off to the people that want to destroy that. Edited January 25 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 16 minutes ago, kenway said: I don't have skin in this game. I don't know anything about Islamic culture, Israeli culture, Arabic culture, Palestinian culture. Understanding the cultures is crucial in understanding this conflict. 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 We know who our enemies are, we know their true colors, not the ones they show to the woke western pacifists who glued to BBC and AJ. 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 (edited) @Lila9 You came at the minute I must go to sleep 😆 I tagged you and comment you under the woke video of Teal. Edited January 25 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 27 minutes ago, Vrubel said: @zazenOke, fair enough The golden insight is that Jews are fighting for their naked survival. This is not a mere bias that can be shaken but is at the very core of every Israeli including very liberal ones. Another insight would be is that Israeli society is like family, very open, socially free, always ready to help or do their duty and from my well-traveled experience it is the most compassionate of all societies when it comes to the elderly, disabled and handicapped people. I’ve seen it, Israeli youngsters would pick up an old slowly walking grandpa and drive him to his home or help him with his groceries. On YT I even heard the story of a low life Russian drug addict who was’t even Jewish. He was picked off the street and stayed at the house of a very normal middle class Israeli family. Can you Imagine, having a drug addict where your children play and sleep. The addict reformed out of gratitude and became an devout orthodox christian, getting his life together. Even Naftalie Bennet, the former PM had a random mentally ill girl stay at his home who tragically committed suicide by dressing up in burka and charging at Israeli police with a knife. Israelis are not perfect and also bicker all the time and are sometimes too brazen and rash for my taste. But at the end of the day they create, build and take care of each other. And they get embittered and will close themselves off to the people that want to destroy that. This is beautifully written, thank you for sharing. 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Lila9 You came at the minute I must go to sleep 😆 I tagged you and comment you under the woke video of Teal. Ohh I saw it just now, didn't receive a notification, my apologies 🙂 I ate dry fruits if this counts, how about you? That's ok, tell me tomorrow, have a good night! 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 (edited) People who keep pushing their bias here with no self-awareness or shame will be blocked from posting in the politics sub-forum. We have standards here against blatant spreading of bias. If you wish to participate in political discussions here, demonstrate an ability to be fair, balanced, and objective. Some bias is okay, but constantly pushing your side's agenda is not. This is your last warning. Edited January 25 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 42 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: People who keep pushing their bias here with no self-awareness or shame will be blocked from posting in the politics sub-forum. We have standards here against blatant spreading of bias. If you wish to participate in political discussions here, demonstrate an ability to be fair, balanced, and objective. Some bias is okay, but constantly pushing your side's agenda is not. This is your last warning. Can I continue to post tweets and links? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: People who keep pushing their bias here with no self-awareness or shame will be blocked from posting in the politics sub-forum. We have standards here against blatant spreading of bias. This is your last warning. Ok, I suppose I am one of these people you refer to. I would say to my defense that I experience people demonizing Israel disproportionately and I respond to that because from my perspective these claims are absurd. I would love to hear how you suggest to communicate here, how a discussion in the standards of this forum should look like, and maybe also give some examples from this thread of what comments you consider as pushing bias VS legitimate comments. It also would be nice if you share your meta view of this conflict in a few points, assuming you studied it well, I want to learn and see what I'm missing. Edited January 25 by Lila9 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 16 minutes ago, Raze said: Can I continue to post tweets and links? As long as you are being mindful of being balanced in your presentation of this complex issue. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 25 @Leo Gura If you mean me, I am sharing incredible insight about Israeli society for your understanding. You value understanding right? In all fairness I think I have shown that, I have no problem humbling my self when a person is intelligent and reasonable. Though some of the people here give Islamic republic of Iran vibes. Guess that’s fine. Honestly I am kinda annoyed and ask for a retraction of the threat. If I cannot post with authenticity you might as well ban me now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 (edited) @Vrubel The stuff you post here is quite biased. Edited January 26 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26 @Leo Gura You should see it at sharing a perspective and giving you valuable insight to your otherwise (really biased) hive mind echo-chamber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
