Posted January 24 Video from ITV News Jan 23 2024. Mainstream broadcaster ITV News in the United Kingdom conducts an interview with a Palestinian in Gaza. After the interview is complete, an IDF sniper shoots him dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: It's hard to accept a peace proposal for the future destiny of your entire country and people if it's not a proposal you agree with. What was the best peace proposal that was offered that they rejected? That’s the thing - they always focus on the ‘number’ of proposals rejected without delving into the contents of the proposals because the states offered are ‘less than a state’ in the words of ex prime minister Rabin. Besides borders and land being agreed on (structure) other issues (content) aren’t which usually cripples any sense of sovereignty - such as resource access, full right of return (what state can’t control its own migration flows), inability to form agreements with other states without Israel’s approval, a few Israeli security checkpoints remaining and the right for Israel to come in if any security threat is detected which always remains vague, and for the state to be demilitarised - so Israel can have the right to its own security but Palestinians can’t? Is that a state or is it basically legalising, legitimising and cementing their own occupation which is already the case anyway so that the world can forget about it. Why would any people who’ve been bullied on their own land for decades sign up to those terms? Though I can see why now it’s become almost impossible for Israel to accept a state with 67 borders if it isn’t demilitarised simply due to geography which can’t be changed. The North of West Bank overlooks Israel’s Tel Aviv and main airport and population centres etc it’s elevated position and proximity can easily allow for snipers, rockets etc to target them. Edited January 24 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) @kenway Continuous barbarity on display. The next 2 weeks should be critical as the result of the hearing comes in, the Houthis aren’t stopping which affects markets, and Israel seem to want to escalate with Hezbollah in the North. Pressure cooker moment. Interesting take from the white Malcom X: Edited January 24 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 18 minutes ago, zazen said: Is that a state or is it basically legalising, legitimising and cementing their own occupation which is already the case anyway so that the world can forget about it. Why would any people who’ve been bullied on their own land for decades sign up to those terms? That was my most recent point is they would be better off just to keep fighting and maybe they can get all the land back rather than to sign to silly terms making them less than a state 18 minutes ago, zazen said: Though I can see why now it’s become almost impossible for Israel to accept a state with 67 borders if it isn’t demilitarised simply due to geography which can’t be changed. The North of West Bank overlooks Israel’s Tel Aviv and main airport and population centres etc it’s elevated position and proximity can easily allow for snipers, rockets etc to target them. Same with Palestinians and having to deal with settlers it would make it impossible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) But to be fair Netanyahu is equally an obstacle to the agreement just like the Palestinians. Edited January 24 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) 8 hours ago, Karmadhi said: A "democracy" that kills childreen does not create a world any better than an autocracy does, as long as it only attacks people actively going against the government. The word democracy often confers an automatic moral superiority to Israel which further distinguishes it from its “backwards” neighbours. The assumption is that just because they are a democracy that is for the people and by the people that this translates to listening to the needs and wants of its citizens, who generally tend to reject war, misery and repression - but what is advertised isn't what is often practiced by the state as we can see from many war mongering democracies in modern times. Jim Crow United States was classified as a democracy at the time. If a state practicing untold injustice and repression against its own citizens let alone people abroad could maintain the moniker of democracy, then how can anyone claim that being a democracy automatically makes a state good or just? A system is no more moral or corrupt except by the agents within that system making it so. Democracy has become a form of inverted totalitarianism with a facade of nice sounding virtue signalling words. Where capital dictates policy rather than policy dictating capital - and capital and corporatism easily become amoral entities that turn members of society into numbers on a screen, gutting their souls and feasting on profits. In Democracies we have pimps of war who orchestrate militarism, interventionism, and imperialism. They migrate from administration to administration and between them they are intertwined in think tanks exerting control from afar. They con us into war after war with a noble savior complex narrative that we naively bite the bait of and embrace the flag of — two years ago it was blue and yellow, today it is blue and white — the masses become agents and cheerleaders of tyranny yet don't feel their democratic nations to be tyrannical because this tyranny is imposed beyond their borders and upon the globe they feel to entitled to. Though, maybe a democratic superpower circling the planet with 800 bases isn't enough for world peace, maybe another 200 to reach the nice rounded of number of 1000 will finally bring a new world order of peace and prosperity. Edited January 24 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, zazen said: The word democracy often confers an automatic moral superiority to Israel which further distinguishes it from its “backwards” neighbours. The assumption is that just because they are a democracy that is for the people and by the people that this translates to listening to the needs and wants of its citizens, who generally tend to reject war, misery and repression - but what is advertised isn't what is often practiced by the state as we can see from many war mongering democracies in modern times. Jim Crow United States was classified as a democracy at the time. If a state practicing untold injustice and repression against its own citizens let alone people abroad could maintain the moniker of democracy, then how can anyone claim that being a democracy automatically makes a state good or just? A system is no more moral or corrupt except by the agents within that system making it so. Democracy has become a form of inverted totalitarianism with a facade of nice sounding virtue signalling words. Where capital dictates policy rather than policy dictating capital - and capital and corporatism easily become amoral entities that turn members of society into numbers on a screen, gutting their souls and feasting on profits. In Democracies we have pimps of war who orchestrate militarism, interventionism, and imperialism. They migrate from administration to administration and between them they are intertwined in think tanks exerting control from afar. They con us into war after war with a noble savior complex narrative that we naively bite the bait of and embrace the flag of — two years ago it was blue and yellow, today it is blue and white — the masses become agents and cheerleaders of tyranny yet don't feel their democratic nations to be tyrannical because they impose tyranny beyond their borders upon the globe they feel to be the entitled leaders to. Though, maybe a democratic superpower circling the planet with 800 bases isn't enough for world peace, maybe another 200 to reach the nice rounded of number of 1000 will finally bring a new world order of peace and prosperity. I don't trust The Wests insistence on other countries having democracies maybe its easier to undermine those countries once they shift to democratic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 @Nivsch Does this video reflect your own perspectives?? Kedar is an ultra ultra Religious Zionist. He's the religious equivalent of a Nazi! Even the Synagogues of Europe don't want anything to do with him. Also, the video is 2 months old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 2 hours ago, zazen said: @kenway Continuous barbarity on display It's insanity. Spiritual and political insanity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) @kenway What you see as 'ultra ultra' is relative to your coordinate in the map which is itself seems extreme in my point of view. I agree with you that he has some very right wing positions but aside with a deeper understanding than any of us of the middle east and middle easterns mentality and way of thinking. Edited January 24 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 Good to read this https://slowfactory.earth/readings/faq-gaza/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-theslowfactory&utm_content=later-38989066&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said: Good to read this https://slowfactory.earth/readings/faq-gaza/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-theslowfactory&utm_content=later-38989066&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio A network of slogans filled mostly by N, O2 and CO2 🎈 Edited January 24 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 News24 reporting that South Africa expects ICJ judgement this Friday 26th Jan. Not confirmed yet. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/south-africa-expects-icj-judgment-gaza-emergency-measures-friday-news24-cites-2024-01-24/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 46 minutes ago, Nivsch said: A network of slogans filled mostly by N, O2 and CO2 🎈 You make no sense for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: @kenway What you see as 'ultra ultra' is relative to your coordinate in the map which is itself seems extreme in my point of view. That's because you've been encouraged to not recognise the Palestinians as family. I've said before there is no division between family and strangers. It's an illusion. Climb a little higher up the mountain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 32 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said: You make no sense for me. One hundred percent devilish article. Unfairness is a compliment to this. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 18 minutes ago, Nivsch said: One hundred percent devilish article. Unfairness is a compliment to this. What is delivish in th link I posted? Answer with points and context. To call something 100% is a very bias position that ignores sublety, complexity and paradox. Your words speak more about your than the article i shared. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 14 hours ago, Leo Gura said: I'm done reasoning with you here I expressed myself very badly, I am sorry. What i basically meant is that politically he may be more evolved than Putin, but when it comes to the tactics he uses on conducting warfare he basically uses the same tactics Russia does and has 0 consideration on civilian causalities. Even if Israel is showing some restraint it is mostly because of international community, not because they actually feel bad for killing civilians. The way you conduct war clearly shows how evolved you are. It it not just about politics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
