Posted January 23 (edited) On 1/22/2024 at 3:11 AM, Leo Gura said: Do you have any sense of how difficult it is to lead a nation? Would be a killer episode topic to hear a breakdown of all the ins and outs of nation building and leading and what life would be like as a ruler Edited January 23 by Twentyfirst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 31 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: Interesting debate on Israel: Ben Shapiro.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Thank you, that's a nice start, maybe if you could replace the word 'propaganda' with 'truth' that could be more respectful. If i lived in your bubble maybe i could but I don’t, so, you know, that’s a hard no. Sorry. 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 Not condoning the situation here or saying is the best way to reach infinite Love but second to this video, we are here debating a situation where many souls are reaching Infinity The ice scupture is relate of something with form and Identity becoming selfless and formless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 @Twentyfirst 10 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Ben Shapiro.... What? Have I triggered you accidentally? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 Is anyone watching the UN livestream? Please let me know, cos otherwise I don't know what the point is in me giving status updates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 (edited) @Girzo They partially cut out from the world for a reason. And yes they have responsibility for their situation. Everyone have full responsibility to work on their thinking patterns and their part in every interaction with others, be their situation fair less or more. Edited January 23 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 @kenway 20 minutes ago, kenway said: Is anyone watching the UN livestream? Please let me know, cos otherwise I don't know what the point is in me giving status updates. I'll be watching that UN later, as I'm watching the Ben Shapiro and Destiny debate. First impressions is the UN being the UN, and looks like they did some renovating of the place last time I remember. Good English speakers also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 Since Israel doesn't have strict borders for itself and has expanded and created settlements over all these years that means all of the land is still up for grabs. Palestinians could take back most of the land by expanding over years just like how Israel did. Why is it wrong for Oct 7th attacks if neither state is solidified with strict borders and both are invited to take as much land as they can? Never mind the resistance coming from occupation thats still huge but even without that since Israel doesn't have strict borders you literally don't know where they begin or end Why doesn't Israel settle on a border and stick with that through ceasing of settlements or a two state solution and that way they don't ever risk Palestinians somehow taking back all the land since its all up for grabs still? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 @Twentyfirst 9 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Since Israel doesn't have strict borders for itself and has expanded and created settlements over all these years that means all of the land is still up for grabs. Palestinians could take back most of the land by expanding over years just like how Israel did. Why is it wrong for Oct 7th attacks if neither state is solidified with strict borders and both are invited to take as much land as they can? Never mind the resistance coming from occupation thats still huge but even without that since Israel doesn't have strict borders you literally don't know where they begin or end Why doesn't Israel settle on a border and stick with that through ceasing of settlements or a two state solution and that way they don't ever risk Palestinians somehow taking back all the land since its all up for grabs still? Yeah, a strong defined border would've helped a bit, it's tricky especially when both sides are a bit guilty, and one is obviously more guilty, and both sides hate each other for so many hundreds of years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) Hamas rejecting this deal is expected. They would basically get nothing, Hamas would potentially collapse if the leaders all left, Israel would just start the bombardment again after 2 months and already said they’ll hunt Hamas leaders in other countries. But Hamas should not be negotiating to stay in power, they should offer a deal that would grant Justice for Palestinians but also the rest of the world and left in Israel could accept, that would lead to huge pressure on Netanyahu to accept it and if he doesn’t damage his credibility to continue the war. Edited January 24 by Raze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) 6 hours ago, Leo Gura said: The death toll from military policy is one thing. Murdering your political opponents is another. When Bibi starts murdering his political opponents and journalists, let's talk. But killing childreen sleeping in their homes is far worse than killing political opponents and journalists. The child is innocent, the political opponent is actively going against you. I am not saying it is an ok thing to do, but a society where innocent people get killed in their homes is far worse than one where you cannot actively go against a specific politican. The first is chaos and war, the second is called an autocracy The second is far better, which is why autocrats exist. A "democracy" that kills childreen does not create a world any better than an autocracy does, as long as it only attacks people actively going against the government. Just do not talk against them and you are fine. How will you be fine if you cannot defend yourself against a rain of bombs? Edited January 24 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 @Karmadhi I'm done reasoning with you here. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 7 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: Palestinians could take back most of the land by expanding over years just like how Israel did. Good idea. Why didn't they do that? Maybe because they don't so much care about more land in a physcial sense, but rather to have the WHOLE holy land in an ideological sense. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 Just now, Nivsch said: Good idea. Why didn't they do that? Maybe because they don't so much care about more land in a physcial sense, but rather to have the WHOLE holy land in an ideological sense. They are doing that. Only problem is you are calling it a "terror" attack when really its the continuation of a tug of war for land that has been claimed but not officially secured Don't you think that Israelis care more about the religious aspect and Palestinians care more about the practical territorial aspect? Israelis are the ones bringing up things from thousands of years ago and Palestinians usually just say how their parents and grandparents got kicked out of their homes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Maybe because they don't so much care about more land in a physcial sense, but rather to have the WHOLE holy land in an ideological sense. Right now they don't even have full of control of the land that they do own because they are under occupation so are you sure you aren't projecting Israels values onto them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) @Twentyfirst An intentional violent against civilians is not acceptable. I mean they could actually build without ask near the settlements, and to protest if Israelis would resist. But even easier than that they could accept the peace proposals they have got. Israel deep right-wing tend to care more about land and religion. The light right wing is diverse between that and the 2 state solution at least before oct 7th. The center and the left wanted 2 state solution and care less about the land according to what I always hear. Edited January 24 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Right now they don't even have full of control of the land that they do own because they are under occupation so are you sure you aren't projecting Israels values onto them? This is not Israel values but the deep right wing ones. Israel is very diverse between different groups and opinions. Edited January 24 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 31 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Twentyfirst An intentional violent against civilians is not acceptable. I mean they could actually build without ask near the settlements, and to protest if Israelis would resist. You say it's not acceptable but isn't it lawful to resist occupation? 31 minutes ago, Nivsch said: But even easier than that they could accept the peace proposals they have got. It's hard to accept a peace proposal for the future destiny of your entire country and people if it's not a proposal you agree with. What was the best peace proposal that was offered that they rejected? 31 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Israel deep right-wing tend to care more about land and religion. The light right wing is diverse between that and the 2 state solution at least before oct 7th. The center and the left wanted 2 state solution and care less about the land according to what I always hear. And I am sure there are varying perspectives within Palestinians wanting different outcomes. I think both sides are stuck in the habit of fighting rather than outcomes 27 minutes ago, Nivsch said: This is not Israel values but the deep right wing ones. Israel is very diverse between different groups and opinions. But still the overall culture towards Palestinians isn't nice and vice versa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 24 Video clip from Southern Gaza presumed to be taken yesterday, Jan 23 2024. Though the detonation in this clip is big, the already-destroyed-foreground gives a glimpse into changing landscape of Khan Yunis. From Beit Hanoun in the north - it's just desert dust now. Not a single building remains. Just fucking dust. Would appear that southern Gaza is going the same way. Absolute destruction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
