Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, zazen said: Palestinians are 20% of Israels population. Pro-Israeli's talk about how they have a great life and no apartheid within Israel so how are you guys able to live side by side there? Are the Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza a different type of Palestinian. I struggle to see how this all ends. A issue with the two state solution is that from the West Bank there is a direct sight of Tel Aviv and Ben Gurion airport - the elevated position and proximity means direct attacks and snipers are within range. I can understand why Israel would be hesitant about this, especially after bringing so much bad blood between them and Palestinians. Then you have settlers already placed in West Bank who are more extreme and armed now which makes them impossible to move. Then with Gaza it has been made uninhabitable and is still 'too risky' for Israeli residents to be living near such a place in Israel's eyes. So the two state solution the world is calling for seems difficult to achieve and something that Israel won't even allow. What you will effectively have is a militarily controlled land where Palestinians live but who aren't part of Israeli democracy - that is basically occupation and apartheid, similar to what is already the situation but without Hamas and with military check points within Gaza similar to West Bank. Israeli Arabs are moderate. There are radicals but not enough to create big mess inside Israel. Palestinians in WB and Gaza are more radical and it is not a good fit with the Jews radicals in Israel. Both Muslims and Jews are not conscious enough to have a state which is equally Muslim and Jewish, both have different values and belief systems. Israel and Palestine should agree on basic values and things to coexist in one state, in reality, they are very far from agreement. In general, both Israelies and Palestinians are traumatized from each other so living face to face is not a good idea. Why not live under Palestinians? Reality proves that it's not safe for Jews to live under Muslim government, even if it's not that religious. And there are barely any Jews in Muslim countries (except Azarbajan which supports Israel). While the opposite, Muslims under a Jewish goverment, proves itself safe, Muslims thrive in Israel, especially the Muslim women. There are literally queer Muslims in TLV, who feel safer among Jews in TLV rather than among Muslims in their birth village, that alone says a lot. Two state solution could be good if they proved themselves safe and not wanting to destroy Israel. It's up to them to show they invest their money to develop themselves rather than in weapons to destroy Israel. Otherwise, Israel would do everything to secure itself from them. Iran is threatening to destroy Israel for years, they are funding Hamas. What could grantee that they will not attack Israel once they gain a state, what could grantee they stop hate us once they get a state if their real goal is to destroy us completely. Netanyahu in the UN about Iran's threats- 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 (edited) The Saudi price says about Iran's leader Khamenei: "He wants to expend, he wants to create his own project in the ME, very much like Hitler who wanted to expend at that time". Edited January 23 by Lila9 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 Second to this list https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups.html There are many Terrorist Organizations around the world. HAMAS Included. I will use one example of a small terrorist organization to set my point. The Comando Vermelho in Brasil, a criminal militia that trives in drugs and much more. So, how logical would be entering the favela and killing the people living there just because the Terrorists live there? Noy every one in the favela agree with Comando Vermelho. For sure the villagers need to keep themselfs quiet about the terrorist activites around them since their ass are on the line. But is senseless to destroy the whole favela, kids, girls...with the justifocation that is being for the good of all. So, what point ISRAEL have in destroying innocents using HaMas as a scapegoat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: They are an independent state in Gaza and under the PLO in West bank. Did not know that the biggest open air prison in the world called Gaza, where nobody can go in and out and is heavily controlled by Israel is a "state". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said: Second to this list https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups.html There are many Terrorist Organizations around the world. HAMAS Included. I will use one example of a small terrorist organization to set my point. The Comando Vermelho in Brasil, a criminal militia that trives in drugs and much more. So, how logical would be entering the favela and killing the people living there just because the Terrorists live there? Noy every one in the favela agree with Comando Vermelho. For sure the villagers need to keep themselfs quiet about the terrorist activites around them since their ass are on the line. But is senseless to destroy the whole favela, kids, girls...with the justifocation that is being for the good of all. So, what point ISRAEL have in destroying innocents using HaMas as a scapegoat? It's a very good question, and really is central to the issue in play. At it's core, Israel has a constitution that revolves around ethnicity, rather than a constitution that revolves around principles (as in for example the principle-led US constitution). Or in other words Israel is an artificially created ethno-state, aka The Jewish State. The problem is that within the context of the land that Israel wants for itself as an ethnostate, there are simply too many Palestinian Arabs in the area. This is known as the demographic problem. Simply put, if there was a one-state solution and Arabs and Jews lived side by side under the same democratic framework, you would have an Arab majority population that would most likely vote for an Arab majority government. And so the artificial Jewish ethnostate would be no more. Up until recently Israel has got around this by rounding up a critical number of Arabs and maintaining their population in territories, that Israel like to pretend is divorced from Israel (in order to deny them the vote) but in actuality is defacto controlled by the Israeli military. Most recently however, Israel has gone full Zionist Nazi and is now trying to push the entire 2.1 million Arab Palestinians out of Gaza as a kind of final solution. The Israel vs Hamas war is just a convenient cover story in order to do this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 One of the bad things about being telepathic is feeling people's suffering. One of the good things about being telepathic is that I can feel @Lila9 already feverishly typing a response to the above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 United Nations Security Council 9834th meeting starts in 10 minutes regarding Israel / Palestine Crisis. These livestreams are always worth watching and IMO are full of really useful information. It also gives a sense of the positions of other countries, seen through a lens devoid of media manipulation. Livestreams begins:- 2pm ET 8pm CET (In 10 minutes) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 A Q&A by the Brother of Gabor Mate with two Israeli guys who have the courage to speak againt their own Contry. Very Interesting to see the dialoge. There is a point one of them say: If my physical life is in risk I leae Israel, obvious, but see that in the end of the day we are all materialists, physicalists. Lets adimit, even Leo, we just want to live one more day. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2c0MQJRKoM/?igsh=MTU3aWh3cnhxeGZlMQ== Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lila9 said: If you support Islamic fundamentalism so eagrly, don't be surprised if... lol. Love your propaganda. This is the same bullshit the Americans tried to push with 911. It doesn’t work on foreigners, we aren’t brainwashed monkeys. And no one on this thread or in the greater world, supports Islamist terror or fundamentalism. The west is pretty Islamophobic. Not anti semitic at all. I know its hard to get your head around the conditioning that you have had since birth that everyone hates you, its just not true. People are reacting about Israel because of the human rights violations in the same way the same people would have been very vocal about what the nazis did to the romas, Jews and gays etc. Edited January 23 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said: Cringiest mile long star ever: So creepy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Karmadhi said: Israel has caused more human suffering under BiBi if you adjust it for its size relative to Russia under Putin. In the second chechen war, syrian war and ukraine, wars under Putin, combined to around 50.000 civilians have died. Under BiBI in Gaza just this war is close to 25.000, and will probably go to 40.000. If you add the other wars in Gaza it comes close to 50.000. So he is responsible for as much human suffering. Numbers mattes. Usually the number of people that died under someone's rule is a good indicator of how ruthless a leader is. You are comparing apples and oranges. The death toll from military policy is one thing. Murdering your political opponents is another. When Bibi starts murdering his political opponents and journalists, let's talk. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lila9 said: Don't worry, they will put everything in place, if that's bothering you. What a load of BS. You guys really need to keep rewatching my videos about Bias, cause that lesson flew over your head. Edited January 23 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, kenway said: It's a very good question, and really is central to the issue in play. At it's core, Israel has a constitution that revolves around ethnicity, rather than a constitution that revolves around principles (as in for example the principle-led US constitution). Or in other words Israel is an artificially created ethno-state, aka The Jewish State. The problem is that within the context of the land that Israel wants for itself as an ethnostate, there are simply too many Palestinian Arabs in the area. This is known as the demographic problem. Simply put, if there was a one-state solution and Arabs and Jews lived side by side under the same democratic framework, you would have an Arab majority population that would most likely vote for an Arab majority government. And so the artificial Jewish ethnostate would be no more. Up until recently Israel has got around this by rounding up a critical number of Arabs and maintaining their population in territories, that Israel like to pretend is divorced from Israel (in order to deny them the vote) but in actuality is defacto controlled by the Israeli military. Most recently however, Israel has gone full Zionist Nazi and is now trying to push the entire 2.1 million Arab Palestinians out of Gaza as a kind of final solution. The Israel vs Hamas war is just a convenient cover story in order to do this. Great synopsis. At its core its a foreign imposition thrust onto an existing Arab population and at their expense - this Zionist entity looks to establish a majority Jewish democracy on a majority Arab demography. The only way around this predicament is demographic engineering through laws and guns ie occupation, oppression and apartheid but not calling it as such because those parts of ‘Israel’ are ‘run’ by Palestinians yet are governed (controlled) by a higher power (Israel) the same way districts, states and counties are run but subservient to a master govern-ment. To normalise this status quo requires: the dehumanisation of Palestinians, the amplification and elevation of threats, the entitlement of ancient scripture claiming them as the chosen ones and as a title deed to the land, and absurd levels of impunity from a compromised superpower and a guilt laden coalition of Western allies who committed the worst atrocities to the Jewish people. To reinforce the above demands the masterful use of propaganda and narrative control to commit to a slow process of ethnic cleansing (rather than a single genocidal event) that goes under the radar of the world’s eyes. Before they drop bombs, they must drop narratives, before missile launches they must launch propaganda campaigns, before settlements expand they must shrink Palestinian resistance into the gaslit box labelled terrorism. Edited January 23 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, Karmadhi said: Did not know that the biggest open air prison in the world called Gaza, where nobody can go in and out and is heavily controlled by Israel is a "state". By Israel and Egypt I answered above about this to @zazen They have honestly earned the distrust towards them and why they can't allowed to have marine and air ways. Edited January 23 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 2 hours ago, kenway said: One of the bad things about being telepathic is feeling people's suffering. One of the good things about being telepathic is that I can feel @Lila9 already feverishly typing a response to the above. I had a nice tea break at that time. Maybe you need to sharpen your telepathic skills... 1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said: lol. Love your propaganda. Thank you, that's a nice start, maybe if you could replace the word 'propaganda' with 'truth' that could be more respectful. 1 hour ago, Leo Gura said: What a load of BS. You guys really need to keep rewatching my videos about Bias, cause that lesson flew over your head. I was sarcastic. 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Lila9 said: I was sarcastic. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
