Posted January 15 1 hour ago, zazen said: @Merkabah Star The lgbtqias2+ blah blah blah colours represents all the spiral dynamics colours 🏳️🌈 thus, nations waving such symbols with pride are inspirations. Source: Trust me bro 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: When you live in Israel for 36 years you can't be in a "bubble" about it. Sorry to dissapoint but anyone who get over the years its information second hand and by people/channels who are even not Israelis by themselves has far more chances to mistakes and seeing a distorted picture 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 5 hours ago, Merkabah Star said: If it was any other country the USA would be going to war with them or at the very least, heavy sanctions. US is following it's own interests. In the other news, sky is blue. US can only depend on Israel to instill any sort of control in this chaotic region of the world, of course if will side with Israel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said: US is following it's own interests. In the other news, sky is blue. US can only depend on Israel to instill any sort of control in this chaotic region of the world, of course if will side with Israel. Not even remotely true. US interests are not to control the Middle East, they’ve made it much more chaotic at times for financial gain. US interests were to push for a two state solution to avoid risking a wider war but Israel lobbying bribed the politicians. US support for Israel occupation has worked against their interests and made it the target of extremists such as on 9/11. Edited January 16 by Raze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 49 minutes ago, Raze said: US interests are not to control the Middle East, they’ve made it much more chaotic at times for financial gain It's in the CIA playbook rule 101. Destabilized governments are easier to control and influence because of their sheer power of the former. You cannot influence a stable government. They would have their own interests and push it over you. 51 minutes ago, Raze said: US interests were to push for a two state solution to avoid risking a wider war but Israel lobbying bribed the politicians. I don't see a two state solution where both of them are fully autonomous and independent, working even in theory. Both parties don't want two state solution, least of all, Palestinians. 53 minutes ago, Raze said: US support for Israel occupation has worked against their interests and made it the target of extremists such as on 9/11. Blinded by self interests in the short term might have setbacks in the long term, as it did for Bin Laden. What if the US never set foot in the middleast? Would that result in even more terrorism/war or civilization flourish as it used to, once? I don't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 (edited) @Merkabah Star I understand the situation in Gaza hurts you and you are right it that! But blame hamas on that because he has at the very least 90% of the responsibility and likely even 95%+. Thats the truth according to my impression. You can think something else and I really don't want to just argue with you. But I wonder, where was the world before the war, when one Million of poor kids where brainwashed every single day by their education system into the importance of killing others along with the importance of suicide in the name of their religion? Edited January 16 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 (edited) 19 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said: They didn't because they don't care about the lives of Palestinians. Period. Historically they do care, they went to war about this issue multiple times. The current regime in Egypt is a US puppet state so not suprissed about it. However, I have many friends from there and the general sentiment is that they heavily support Palestine, especially the religious ones. The government... Although I have also seen that Israel blocked a lot of things for Gaza like building an airport. It is not just Egypt, also Israel has immense power over what is allowed in Gaza. They purposely left them isolated. Also their lovely PM secretly supported Hamas in order to keep that place destabilized. So he is also largely to blame for the attack. Edited January 16 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 19 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said: This is good take. The solution must come from a powerful country from the outside. US could only get Israel to obey the international law. But the problem is these attacks would continue to happen indefinitely towards the future that one point, you snap and go for the kill. That's where Israel is at right now. Also note that international law or any law or morality for that matter doesn't apply to the other side. They cheer when they fire rockets to Israel and cry when one comes their way. Instead of not firing anything in the first place I have seen countless videos of Israelis cheering as rockets were launched towards Gaza even before the October attacks. There are countless videos of people singing about destroying Gaza, saying "we will kill you all", settlers supporting illegal settlements etc. Elementary school children's being taught Arabs are horrible etc etc .The hatred is immense towards Palestinians, it goes both ways. Both sides have immense hatred towards the other. It is really sad. I can send you the clips if you want. US is way too corrupt from the powerful Jewish lobby to do any objective action here. Basically Israel is like a rapid dog without a leash wreacking havoc. There should be international organizations to stop a country from just going crazy and ignoring all laws. There should also be mechanism to punish a country if it does so. Russia is another example. However with Israel considering how small they are, it is even more absurd that they are allowed like this. UN has proven again to be totally useless. US/Russia/China these are the true UN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 On 12/27/2023 at 0:57 AM, Raze said: https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan/kan-11/p-658949/684084/ A Must watch documentary about the Nova festival massacre. Although I knew all the dry facts, until watching it I couldn't fathom what happened there. "A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are made for" - John A. Shedd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 (edited) @Karmadhi Only one side is taught to kill and suicide. I have never learn anything bad about the Arabs themselves besides that we have wars and we signed peace agreements and wanted to do peace also with Syria and to co exist with the 20% of the Israelis which are Arabs. I remember that I was in 6th grade. Edited January 16 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 On 1/15/2024 at 0:17 PM, kenway said: I support a one-state solution shared by both Jews and Arabs predicated on a constitution defined by principles, rather than the current defacto ethnostate. Or in other words, a return to the borders prior to 1948, but under an Internationally policed mandate rather than a British mandate. (aka International Israel.) Ideally I would like to see a total reboot of the United Nations, and a process of dezionification similar to the denazification process that occurred in Germany post 1945. I understand. Honestly, do you think it's realistic or too idealistic? From my pov it's highly idealistic. On 1/15/2024 at 0:17 PM, kenway said: That's kind of a strawman. But in any case, cooperation between the Zionists and Nazis is well documented. One such example is the Haavara Agreement:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement This is an agreement of Zionists with Nazis in favor of Jews to save them from the Nazis themselves! lol By moving them from Europe to Israel so they would not get hurt by the Nazis. It's not an agreement of Zionists with Nazis to kill Jews, as you implied. On 1/15/2024 at 0:17 PM, kenway said: That's simply not true. That is quite literally false. The overwhelming majority of Holocaust survivors chose destinations other than Israel/Palestine. (e.g the United States). Even if they chose not to live in Israel, it doesn't mean they are anti the Israeli state or not support or appreciate the Zionist movement. 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Nivsch said: @Karmadhi Only one side is taught to kill and suicide. I have never learn anything bad about the Arabs themselves besides that we have wars and we signed peace agreements and wanted to do peace also with Syria and to co exist with the 20% of the Israelis which are Arabs. I remember that I was in 6th grade. Me too, I have no idea what this user is talking about. I've never been taught to hate Arabs or to kill them or to hurt them in any form or way just because they are Arabs. 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 Just now, Lila9 said: I've never been taught to hate Arabs or to kill them or to hurt them in any form or way just because they are Arabs. We weren’t taught how to hate. Rather, we weren’t provided a safe environment to learn how to love unconditionally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 Thomas Hand, Emily's father, the girl who was kidnapped by Hamas, is responding to the claims that Israel is an apartheid state. I absolutely agree with him, he speaks the truth. 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Posted January 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lila9 said: Thomas Hand, Emily's father, the girl who was kidnapped by Hamas, is responding to the claims that Israel is an apartheid state. I absolutely agree with him, he speaks the truth. OMG He just NAILED it. So good and so authentic. I felt like a melted icecream after heard him. Edited January 16 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 The opposite of war is raw. War is the raw manifestation of debilitating inner and outer turmoil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said: I felt like a melted icecream after heard him. Same! 👽 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
