Posted January 11 (edited) @Karmadhi If you examine IDF operations during the years (and not only the PTSD one) you will see that IDF is just like any other western military and probably more polite and sensitive, and thats without denying the problems disccused here and in the video that @Raze added. Edited January 11 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 @Nivsch 24 minutes ago, Nivsch said: South Africa spokesman is turned out to be a jock. Of course this doesn't help the reliability of their claims on Israel. Its not the mistake (churches) as much as its his derogatory statement about the Jews. Nit picking on miscommunications. Stop being bad faith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 @kenway 16 minutes ago, kenway said: What was it that was said that was derogatory? Very little other than just saying it's derogatory for the sake of being bad faith and slandering the speaker. Important context: They don't speak English as their primary language, so obviously an increase in chance of miscommunicating. So obviously bad faith actors will twist that to mean he's being derogatory, out of thin air! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 (edited) 24 minutes ago, kenway said: What was it that was said that was derogatory? I really felt it instinctively. This sounds like a "compliment" when someone says when he put himself above you. A little difficukt to explain but it is very clear in my opinion. Edited January 11 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 1 minute ago, Danioover9000 said: @kenway Very little other than just saying it's derogatory for the sake of being bad faith and slandering the speaker. Important context: They don't speak English as their primary language, so obviously an increase in chance of miscommunicating. So obviously bad faith actors will twist that to mean he's being derogatory, out of thin air! Synchronises with recent statements made by Israeli Finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, who says:- "Hague Court, like other international tribunals, are political bodies plagued with anti-semitism and are exposed time and time again in stunning shows of hypocrisy." Would also seem to indicate that Israel is getting prepared to lose: "Of course we lost. The whole world is against us...". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, Nivsch said: I really felt it instinctively. This sounds like a "compliment" when someone says when he put himself above you. A little difficukt to explain but it is very clear in my opinion. It's a little subjective. I think he's trying to make the case that Jews and South Africans live peacefully in South Africa, and that it's not like South Africans have a historical and emotional conflict with Jews to the extent that they could be considered as having a vested interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 (edited) @kenway 7 minutes ago, kenway said: It's a little subjective. I think he's trying to make the case that Jews and South Africans live peacefully in South Africa, and that it's not like South Africans have a historical and emotional conflict with Jews to the extent that they could be considered as having a vested interest. True, because this current UN tribunal is on specifically the acts of genocide Israel is doing, and calling for more limitation of what Israel is currently doing, called provisional measures. Any other pivot or twists are distractions from this specific case being built here. Edited January 11 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 How there's silence and quiet about this video here is shocking: Speak up, and share your views on this UN tribunal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 (edited) Israel won't stop the war against hamas anyway. hamas's defense mechanisms are very sophisticated but this won't work. Edited January 11 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 Just now, Nivsch said: Israel won't stop the war against hamas anyway. hamas's defense mechanisms are very sophisticated but this won't work. Spending billions on defense mechanisms must be the solution, then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 (edited) @Yimpa Do you mean physically? Israel spent ~1.5 billion dollars on a smart fence out of an assumption this will prevent wars, but was wrong. Edited January 11 by Nivsch 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 Just now, Nivsch said: Israel spent billions on a smart fence out of an assumption this will prevent wars, but was wrong. Donald Trump and Elon could team up to right this wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 (edited) Remember to be kind, and allow yourself to question your interpretations of things. Being open and closed in a calm cool way. Realize this is a thread about conflict, so some degree of disagreement, different interpretations, confusion, etc is normal. As long as we remain relatively kind and respectful to each other given the nature of conflict things are going well here. Edited January 11 by Thought Art "Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver ◭"89"◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 Assuming that caring deeply about a war from a distance inherently makes you selfless is a selfish assumption. We need more people who are willing to turn inwards at their own selfishness. This is the real challenging work; not the endless debating and finger pointing. Contemplating this war actually helped in my own personal life, connecting the larger conflict with my own inner conflict. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 When will the verdict come? Anyone knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: How there's silence and quiet about this video here is shocking: Speak up, and share your views on this UN tribunal. So the SA speakers conveyed extremely strong explanitories for why the ICJ should consider it genocide (albeit as plausible) and I think they have played it really smart. By playing down emotional manipulation, and playing up facts and the underlying objectivity of "how and why", they've positioned the court into a space where the judges cannot credibly disagree. Someone else mentioned about the use of UN reports serving as the basis for the argument. This is clever because to reject the motion would mean the UN overruling it's own faculties and findings. Most of the evidence appeared to be predominantly from UN or Israeli sources, rather than Palestinian ones. There was a speculation that Article 51 might be used as a defense by Israel. That is to say, that theoretically, even if provisional measures are advised or enforced, nothing can overrule a state's right to self-defense, and if Israel determined that its actions continue to be defensive in nature then it could theoretically ignore any such measure. SA's pre-emptive response to this was to remind the court that Israel, is in fact an occupation as according the United Nations, and therefore Article 51 cannot apply because Article 51 only applies between two sovereign states, and that in actuality, there is no such division between Gaza and Israel main. Or in other words, self-defense is a non-issue when you are in fact an occupying power, especially when charged with genocide against the people who you are occupying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 16 minutes ago, Yimpa said: Assuming that caring deeply about a war from a distance inherently makes you selfless is a selfish assumption. We need more people who are willing to turn inwards at their own selfishness. This is the real challenging work; not the endless debating and finger pointing. Contemplating this war actually helped in my own personal life, connecting the larger conflict with my own inner conflict. Liked 🌲 You can rarely pretend to give an effective advice to someone just from the fact that you cannot see the unique inner logic behind his actions, no matter how obvious you will mistakenly think the answer is. If you really want to help and not to harm, encourage him to trust more his own logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 Guys, any idea when the verdict will be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Guys, any idea when the verdict will be? Maybe in a week or so. Israel makes its defense tomorrow. Edited January 11 by kenway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said: How there's silence and quiet about this video here is shocking: Speak up, and share your views on this UN tribunal. It is very brutal. Edited January 11 by Happy Lizard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
