Posted January 9 (edited) @zazen A palestinian state = no more settlements expansion. They refused to that. 30 minutes ago, zazen said: 'The Israeli settlement of Ariel, deep inside a potential Palestinian state, was a controversial issue for Olmert and Abbas' - why would any state have a settlement or area from a former state they had such hostility with which could put their future state at risk. Would Ukrainians ever agree to have a Russian settlement in Ukraine after the war ends? How is the city of Ariel can risk the palestinian state? If someone needs to be really afraid is Ariel's residents. Some extremist settlers (a very tiny minority) that do violent are not at all a security risk to the new state. But if you mean that Ariel has to evacuate, then this is of course not realistic at all, and just proves even more that the Palestinians will make any excuse to not reach a deal. Edited January 9 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) I'm afraid to know what these innocent girls are going through in Hamas captivaty. Per the testemonies of the realeased hostages, Hamas terrorists are sexually abusing girls and young women. Such devilry, everything is justified to "free Palestine". Gross. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C11rAO2tFkE/?igsh=MWplaGRlOXo2dGI0cQ== https://t.me/novafestival2023/13923 Edited January 9 by Lila9 "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: True, how this isn't part of mainstream news is news to me All about the headline not the trendlines. Propaganda is effective when it doesn't trigger people's cognitive alarms ie subtle and often - almost like ingesting microplastics through water. Tiny manipulations build up to warp our minds and control the narrative in favour of the vested interests. Sneaky af. 32 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @zazen A palestinian state = no more settlements expansion. They refused to that. How the city of Ariel can risk the palestinian state? If someone needs to be really afraid is Ariel's residents. Some extremist settlers (a very tiny minority) that do violent are not at all a security risk to the new state. But if you mean the Ariel has to evacuate this is of course not realistic and just proves even more that the Palestinians will make any excuse to not reach a deal. Possibly it could be a risk in terms of intelligence sharing and spying within the state, not really a threat in terms of violence. Beyond that I'm not sure what else would be objectionable about Ariel as my knowledge is limited. Definitely the Palestinians can also be stubborn - but it must be understood why they don't feel they should be the ones conceding as they see themselves as the more wronged party. I think that's all that most of the people in this thread are trying to shine light on and which the Israeli side can be blind to - which is that the Palestinians have been unjustly wronged. From Israel's side they can't see that it seems - maybe due to entitlement to the land ancestrally, the Gods chosen people concept or because their too traumatised and wrapped up in their own trauma caused by people on another continent (Europe) but for which the Palestinians need to suffer and pay for their sins. Edited January 9 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Raze said: Interesting, a politician in Israel has backed the genocide charges. But it looks like he’s about to get kicked out of the Knesset for it. He seems to believe Israel is headed towards a civil war. Edited January 9 by Raze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) @Raze Another one that holds the 0.01% most radical views in our society. from a couple of years of hearing about his views I know this. But hey, this is the game of this thread I kind of used to it. Edited January 9 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @Lila9 so sad for those girls, must be horrendous for them. They would have been home already if your country bothered to negotiate properly and release them via a ceasefire. Which was an easy enough outcome. But nope. The hostage situation helps fuel the destruction and death of all the children and women. Sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: @Lila9 so sad for those girls, must be horrendous for them. They would have been home already if your country bothered to negotiate properly and release them via a ceasefire. Which was an easy enough outcome. But nope. The hostage situation helps fuel the destruction and death of all the children and women. Sad. Why do you think hamas would just agree to release them? Does not sound reasonable to me. Edited January 9 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Raze Another one that holds the 0.01% most radical views in our society. from a couple of years of hearing about his views I know this. But hey, this is the game of this thread I kind of used to it. Everything is just made up propaganda to make Israel look bad. So sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Why do you think hamas would just agree to release them? Does not sound reasonable to me. I thought they had in exchange for a permanent ceasefire? You miss a lot in your bubble consciousness world. The mind control is deep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Lila9 said: I'm afraid to know what these innocent girls are going through in Hamas captivaty. Per the testemonies of the realeased hostages, Hamas terrorists are sexually abusing girls and young women. Such devilry, everything is justified to "free Palestine". Gross. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C11rAO2tFkE/?igsh=MWplaGRlOXo2dGI0cQ== https://t.me/novafestival2023/13923 The worst kind of suffering possible that is for sure. The suffering of the hostages sitting there for, in their mind, eternity, and can be executed at any moment is totally another league. 130 of them. Not similar to anything else we see from both sides even in this war. Edited January 9 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Merkabah Star said: @Lila9 so sad for those girls, must be horrendous for them. They would have been home already if your country bothered to negotiate properly and release them via a ceasefire. Which was an easy enough outcome. But nope. The hostage situation helps fuel the destruction and death of all the children and women. Sad. Unfortunately, many ignorant Westerns support and hype Hamas and don't put pressure on them. What they do instead is to scream "free Palestine from the river to the sea" like some zombie poisoned sheep. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: Unfortunately, many ignorant Westerns support and hype Hamas and don't put pressure on them. What they do instead is to scream "free Palestine from the river to the sea" like some zombie poisoned sheep. +1 ❤ 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: I thought they had in exchange for a permanent ceasefire? You miss a lot in your bubble consciousness world. The mind control is deep. Not logical. When we had to release only 1 soldier (Gilad Shalit) we needed to release 1000+ terrorists. So now they would just agree to free 240 for couple of thousands? I can't see this can happen. Edited January 9 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Nivsch said: The worst kind of suffering possible that is for sure. The suffering of the hostages who can be excuted at any moment is totally in another league. Not similar to anything else we see from both sides even in this war. Absolutely. It's terrifying to even think about. This is a complete hell, being at the mercy of such savages. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @Nivsch form all of what I read form your posts I see a clear dislike/hate of Arabs/Palestinians. This is rendering your judgment/view empty. what use is all the facts if at the end of the day if you just can’t stand the other side? You are also conveniently putting all Palestinian and Hamas in the same bucket making all the victims “their” people/property. Could there not be a bias here and is exactly what most in this thread have been pointing out? Ironically this is making all your facts and worldview highly emotional with the same flaws you’ve been pointing out in the narrative of the other side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Not logical. When we had to release only 1 soldoer we needed to release 1000+ terrorists! So now they would agree 240 for couple of thousands? This is La la land. The sole doer of all conflicts is massive ignorance and lack of respecting boundaries. I AM Lovin' It Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 41 minutes ago, Lila9 said: I'm afraid to know what these innocent girls are going through in Hamas captivaty. Per the testemonies of the realeased hostages, Hamas terrorists are sexually abusing girls and young women. Such devilry, everything is justified to "free Palestine". Gross. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C11rAO2tFkE/?igsh=MWplaGRlOXo2dGI0cQ== https://t.me/novafestival2023/13923 The girls pictured here were IDF soldiers https://www.timesofisrael.com/presumed-captive-daniella-gilboa-identified-by-the-shirt-she-wore/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-liri-albag-seen-in-hamas-video-being-abducted/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-agam-berger-seen-being-led-to-a-car-still-dressed-in-her-pajamas/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-karina-ariev-told-parents-continue-your-lives/ it’s unfortunate Israels government puts its own youth at such risk by refusing to agree to a peaceful solutions with Palestinians and expecting their young to face the brunt of the attacks as a result Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Unfortunately, many ignorant Westerns support and hype Hamas and don't put pressure on them. What they do instead is to scream "free Palestine from the river to the sea" like some zombie poisoned sheep. Westerners cannot put pressure on Hamas, they have no connection. Tactically it only makes sense to pressure the US government as they are supporting Israel which is currently bombing Gaza and have killed multiple hostages as well as putting the rest at risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Unfortunately, many ignorant Westerns support and hype Hamas and don't put pressure on them. What they do instead is to scream "free Palestine from the river to the sea" like some zombie poisoned sheep. No one supports Hamas, not even a little bit. Kill all of them, no problem. Terrorists deserve to die. Not civilians. But your country doesn’t care about that because they are demonised like nazi germany demonised Jews and romas. Same thing. That’s the lesson in all this but you can’t see it. What happens when the oppressed becomes the oppressor? I personally dont like from the river to the sea slogan. There is equally bad energy coming from your countrymen about them. Look at the Israeli posters here on this thread. Triggered, delusional, zero compassion, total robots, in complete shock the world isn’t siding with them. It is an eye opener. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
