Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: This isn't symmetric in any sense. The violence and irresponsibility of the palestinians are many magnitudes higher. That really is debatable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Nivsch said: This isn't symmetric in any sense. The violence and irresponsibility of the palestinians is many magnitudes higher. What’s the military objective of cutting food and water? Also: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 (edited) @zazen 5 minutes ago, zazen said: What’s the military objective of cutting food and water? Also: Okay, for this specific case I will have to clarify this. Historically in war, especially in siege warfare, typically with the invading force and less of the defending force, attacking supply lines, food and water sources, is advantageous because siege warfare is war of attrition, and difficult to wage if supply lines keep getting attacked and shortages. Plenty of historical examples of how brutal siege warfare can be for both armies and how eventually they resort to trying to starve each other. This is the bigger broader context. Now, in the smaller specific context, Israel's justification will try to sound similar to the above, to deprive HAMAs of supply lines, food and water, to hopefully starve them out, but in giving this explanation Israel will never include in their explanation how this would effect the Gazan or West Bank civilian population getting increasingly homeless by the days because of this, plus bombing buildings and shelters. Edited January 8 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 36 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: @Merkabah Star Of course, because of A.I.P.A.C Israel lobby in the USA, plus the anti-Semite card they can pull out whenever they want to smear a critic. Bunch of dogmatic nut cases. I promise you, history will not be kind to them. Ceasefires are anti semitic, yeah. 🤡 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: Ceasefires are anti semitic, yeah. 🤡 To let hamas keep in charge on Gaza will be the least moral and the most evil thing that can be thought about - to Israelis but even more so to the palestinians. Edited January 8 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 (edited) https://www.instagram.com/reel/C11Dg2vIBk-/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Welcome to the "apartheid" 🤗 Edited January 8 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 @Merkabah Star 41 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: Ceasefires are anti semitic, yeah. 🤡 I know right? this thread in a nutshell: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: Direct experience of living in a society that being treatened and traumatized by terror for 30 years and then the Grand Final celebrated all around Gaza streets in singing and toffy candies Look there is 1 factor you need to consider. When the attacks first happened and people found out, nobody knew that civilians were targeted in mass and villages massacred etc. Personally when I saw it, I thought they had broken the wall and went after Israeli soldiers and military outposts. And to be honest It felt like karma to me. I was happy for them (although I knew the hell that would be unleashed on them as a response) I have huge disgust with the IDF, especially its commanders and the current Israeli government. I genuinely think many of them belong in the Hague jails for war crimes commited throughout decades. However when I saw the news about the civilian killings, about burning childreen alive etc, I changed my mind and felt ashamed for being happy about it earlier. I simply did not know. Maybe those in Gaza when they celebrated thought that people broke in, not that civilians were massacred. A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 50 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: @Merkabah Star I know right? this thread in a nutshell: 😳 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Vibes said: Oh God. It's getting funny reading your justifications. 'Kill them so they don't get brainwashed! That's the most humane thing we can do. Put an end to their misery' Welcome to bubble consciousness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Vibes said: Oh God. It's getting funny reading your justifications. 'Kill them so they don't get brainwashed! That's the most humane thing we can do. Put an end to their misery' You really don't understand or you don't want to? Dont tell me. You don't want to. Kill hamas. And yes, hamas is the source of those children missery and their psychological and spiritual death. The truth is not comfortable. Well, that's the trick. Edited January 8 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 (edited) And that is why we should never underestimate our enemy ever again. His deffense mechanism is so manipulative genius. Scary genius. Edited January 8 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 8 27 minutes ago, Vibes said: Kill hamas, even if it kills 10,000 children as a side effect... The children are hamas to them. That’s the brainwashing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, Vibes said: Yes, 'the children of drakness' Because drake is half jewish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 I’m confused by this conflict which team are we on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 On 1/8/2024 at 3:18 AM, kenway said: This is from Khan Younis in Southern Gaza. As you can see they are ramping up operations, presumably in case they are ordered to ceasefire following the ICJ hearing. Entire villages and neighbourhoods are now being manually detonated. After all, why go house by house when you can go neighbourhood by neighbourhood? It is clearly obvious for the world to see that Palestinian lives don't matter at all. Those building were already cleared of people. I guess you don't know that multiple explosives need to be drilled into the wall and placed at strategic locations within and around the building. There is no one in those building, unless of course some fool tried to come into a warzone which the IDF have already made known. Buildings are destroyed so that those terrorists do not slither back in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Karmadhi said: Look there is 1 factor you need to consider. When the attacks first happened and people found out, nobody knew that civilians were targeted in mass and villages massacred etc. Personally when I saw it, I thought they had broken the wall and went after Israeli soldiers and military outposts. And to be honest It felt like karma to me. I was happy for them (although I knew the hell that would be unleashed on them as a response) Look soldiers are people too, many of them young men and women whose life just started. Here's a video for you to humanize them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 While everyone here complains, this is what is actually happening in the world. We act as though Israel is some rogue state dragging the United States into battle, but the big picture is that this is a proxy war dating back to 1967 when the KGB started the PLO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @PurpleTree 4 hours ago, PurpleTree said: Because drake is half jewish? 😅 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @PurpleTree 3 hours ago, PurpleTree said: I’m confused by this conflict which team are we on? Suppose to be on the don't kill children and women, especially if HAMAs to civilians ratio is 1 to 100 or 10,000, IMO pro Israeli are worse than Penny Wise and robots if they don't get that it's immoral at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
