Posted December 20, 2023 @Danioover9000 x is an easy target. He has already removed a lot just recently with from the river to the sea phrases being banned, so he will probably be forced to ban more now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 @Nivsch Sure but do not cry about people being anti semitism or hating on Israel or zionism. People do not like land thieves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 Quote Emmanuel Macron has said that Israel’s goal of fighting terrorism did not mean it had to “flatten Gaza”, referring to its response to Hamas’s attack on 7 October. “We cannot let the idea take root that an efficient fight against terrorism implies to flatten Gaza or attack civilian populations indiscriminately,” Macron told the France 5 broadcaster. The French president called on Israel “to stop this response because it is not appropriate, because all lives are worth the same and we defend them”. While acknowledging “Israel’s right to defend itself and fight terror”, Macron said France called for the protection of civilians and “a truce leading to a humanitarian ceasefire”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/20/fighting-terrorism-did-not-mean-israel-had-to-flatten-gaza-says-emmanuel-macron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) Piers Morgan grills Israeli official Mark Regev on reports of Israeli military sniper shots killing two women inside a Gaza church. Edited December 21, 2023 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 The leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, has been in Egypt for talks on halting the fighting with Israel to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has again ruled out a cease-fire until Hamas is eliminated and the remaining hostages are freed. Several countries including Germany classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. Meanwhile there's been no let up in attacks on the Palestinian territory. We spoke live to Efrat Machi-kawa, from Israel. Her uncle, Gilad Moses, is still being held hostage in Gaza, after being kidnapped during the Hamas terrorist attacks on October 7. His partner Efrat was killed in that attack. His wife and his partner's daughter and two grand-daughters were among the hostages released during the week-long cease-fire. The Islamic Jihad militant group has just released a video showing Gilad in captivity - the first sign of life since his abduction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 ^^^^The Israeli woman Efrat Machi-kawa that talks in the above video is truely divine.. worth watching just for her.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Karmadhi said: @Nivsch Sure but do not cry about people being anti semitism or hating on Israel or zionism. People do not like land thieves. When you were almost been killed in a war initiated by 6 Arab countries, and now you try to push them back to ensure your survival, while within the country the war takes on a totally civil character between the Jews and the Arabs, you will obviously in this moments see all the arabs as a solid unit (without nuances) and won't always do the most efficient or moral or clean thing for example stealing of private lands. This is very understanble to me in this situation. A private or collective property of someone is a joke when you are just trying to stay alive. Edited December 21, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 @Nivsch You could have pushed them without annexing their lands. Annexation is the issue here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 @Karmadhi How can you think about fairness to the other side when you have to save your life from him? Only if you are not a human. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 @Merkabah Star 10 hours ago, Merkabah Star said: Piers Morgan grills Israeli official Mark Regev on reports of Israeli military sniper shots killing two women inside a Gaza church. Example of pure cope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: @Karmadhi How can you think about fairness to the other side when you have to save your life from him? Only if you are not a human. Jews in Israel should have been committed collective suicide or let Hitler or other Nazis to finish the work, ignore the Jewish ancient connection to Israel and allow Arabs to have Israel as the 22th Muslim state in the world. Only that would be considered fair to these people. Edited December 21, 2023 by Lila9 "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 "What is striking to me is that even as, again, we hear many countries urging the end to this conflict, which we would all like to see, I hear virtually no one saying – demanding of Hamas that it stop hiding behind civilians, that it lay down its arms, that it surrender. This is over tomorrow if Hamas does that. This would have been over a month ago, six weeks ago, if Hamas had done that,” Blinken said during a press briefing at the State Department Wednesday. “How can it be that there are no demands made of the aggressor and only demands made of the victim,” Blinken went on to say. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/20/politics/blinken-israel-hamas-surrender/index.html "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lila9 said: Jews in Israel should have been committed collective suicide or let Hitler or other Nazis to finish the work, ignore the Jewish ancient connection to Israel and allow Arabs to have Israel as the 22th Muslim state in the world. Only that would be considered fair to these people. Haha maybe 🤔 Edited December 21, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 @Merkabah Star On 2023-12-18 at 8:44 AM, Merkabah Star said: It’s a heated topic for everyone. Just have a break. they live there so it’s really personal for them. No excuse to act petty as hell. I'm done here, gl to you, @StarStruck and @zazen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) The most 'moral' army for sure, up there competing with ISIS-level barbarism. @Danioover9000 Your opinions and insights have always been worthy of reading so will be waiting for them Edited December 21, 2023 by lina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) @lina Even much less severe (but officialy confirmed) cases like the soldier who shot an already neutralized terrorist head in March 2016 has caused a tremendous public uproar in Israel which can show us how sensitive a big part of the Israeli public is. There is always a danger with taking isolated cases and project them on "Israel" as a whole when in fact they don't really represent Israel. Lets not forget there are thousands of soldiers operating in Gaza in every moment, and one such (and yes, outrageous, if indeed happened) case is a quite few statistically to conclude far reaching stances on Israel. Nevertheless, if this is true, those soldiers must be punished severily and the whole system have to learn from it and draw the lessons. But I want to see this comes from another source which is not UN that I would not be surprised if bases its assessments on UNRWA. After far reaching hypoctire moves the UN does against Israel every monday and thursday, it is clear this is quite naive to rely on UN statements alone about Israel without double checking them. Edited December 21, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 @lina the most moral army in the world. It’s almost like a brainwashing comment to keep making. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said: @Merkabah Star No excuse to act petty as hell. I'm done here, gl to you, @StarStruck and @zazen. I think it’s pretty even on this thread. I have breaks from it too, just unfollow the thread so you don’t get alerts. 😀 it’s hard to not get emotionally involved in this conflict. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Lila9 said: demanding of Hamas that it stop hiding behind civilians That’s another comment that’s flat now. most moral army in the word. the world is no longer believing these lies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) @Danioover9000 As Lina said - look forward to your comments after a needed break - this thread isn’t going anywhere haha Interesting read on the body language. Elite level diplomats are definitely trained - Rishi Sunak masterfully dodges and evades questions for example. I heard a professor say that as with 9/11 it’s expected for people to be outraged speaking emotionally but that died down within a month - with this the dehumanising language has persisted till today and it’s not random members of society but prominent members of Israeli society ie Politicans or leadership roles. Edited December 21, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
