Posted December 12, 2023 39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: IDF got no qualms killing any Palestinian who criticizes their war. They arrest anti-war speakers inside Israel. What do you think they do to those inside Gaza? From where is that? AJ doesnt count a decent source in my opinion. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Vrubel said: What... ? Netanyahu is the most horrendous PR master ever especially in relation to the liberal West, his greatest Allies. I hold him responsible for the fact that Israel has handed in so much sympathy because of his policies. He is a master at conceiling the nasty consequences of his rabid Zionist agenda. That is the point. He's making the best out of the turd sandwhich he cooked up. Edited December 12, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Vrubel said: Netanyahu One of the most selfish, power hungry, ruthless and dangerous leaders on Earth. Easily Putin, maybe Kim Jong Un level. He must be thrown to jail asap. Edited December 12, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 @Leo Gura Do you think now Israel will face legal consequences of its policies, the same way Yugoslavia, Russia or Iraq did? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nivsch said: From where is that? AJ doesnt count a decent source in my opinion. There was a story on Turning Points about it a few weeks ago. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 Just now, Karmadhi said: @Leo Gura Do you think now Israel will face legal consequences of its policies, the same way Yugoslavia, Russia or Iraq did? Def not. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: He is a master at conceiling the nasty consequences of his rabid Zionist agenda. That is the point. He's making the best out of the turd sandwhich he cooked up. The whole point now - because of the attack - it is not about politics anymore but about raw survival for Israel. As much as I dislike Netanyahu it's insanity to get rid of him during a War. I would still have sympathy for America if it was massively and brutally attacked by terrorists even though it's led by Trump. And luckily as problematic as Netanyahu is, he is at least competent and relatively reasonable, he does restrain himself to certain geopolitical realities. Edited December 12, 2023 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: One of the most selfish, power hungry, ruthless and dangerous leaders on Earth. Easily Putin, maybe Kim Jong Un level. He must be thrown to jail asap. ~50% of Israelis hate him and oppose his over nationalistic world view at least this is the impression I have got. They are already above that level. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) Hasbara - a slang term for ‘explaining’ and Israel’s propaganda tool used even on its own citizens. https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-art-of-deception-how-israel-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775 Edited December 12, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, zazen said: Hasbara - a slang term for ‘explaining’ and Israel’s propaganda tool used even on its own citizens. https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-art-of-deception-how-israel-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775 Not a mature source. Such hateful and dark. Show me something serious and deeper that doesn't fueled by hate and not that transparent. Edited December 12, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 https://nationalpost.com/news/world/steven-spielberg-to-document-hamas-massacre-survivors-stories I'm glad Steven Spielberg has decided to help out on this. Up until Spielberg existed, I thought that the whole Holocaust narrative was mostly a heap of illogical dogshit. Spielberg helped me to see the light, and I'm sure that he will on this issue too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Leo Gura said: This whole situation seems so exploitable by terrorists. All they have to do is stage a terrorist attack in the US to draw the US into another fruitless war in the Middle East. Of course. Hundreds of thousands of new recruits. People in Palestine have little left to lose, but it'll be a useful recruiting tool worldwide for many militia groups. Any occupation of land exists as a recruitment ad forever. There is no question the US will need to leave more people in the region. It'll be a small miracle if its not a larger deployment on their bases at some point, I doubt they'll call it a war though, as its likely to just be against irregular fighters. *Though Yemen looks like its going to intercept cargo shipments, which might spill this into a conventional war. Fascism has always and will always generate war. The ideology requires war to exist. People have to be shown it directly again sadly. Edited December 12, 2023 by BlueOak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Leo Gura said: This whole situation seems so exploitable by terrorists. All they have to do is stage a terrorist attack in the US to draw the US into another fruitless war in the Middle East. It's fruitless because the US doesn't employ the Xinjiang counter-terrorism camp initiative. Since 2016 there is no longer any terrorists attack in Xinjiang, it works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Leo Gura said: https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/1733843183568900167?s=20 They call him a poet, I call him a butt hole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Leo Gura said: Oh good! Then Israel can carry out its war without the rest of the world's weapons, money, and moral support. The absurdity of this situation is that Israel wants to butcher the Gazans and then act innocent in the eyes of the world. You are officially my enemy now Leo, and I shall put you on my list https://x.com/mechanics_watch/status/1731593501622882773?s=20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 7:57 AM, Nivsch said: About the first one I admit there are very likely problems in the surgicality claims that although I believe IDF is the maybe most surgical army in the world, is still not really totally surgical and sometimes attacks too loosely. In the other hand, we have to ask ourselves honestly if we could really do a more surgical war when needed to eliminate a terror organization that hides so manipulatively behind civilians as its number one survival strategy when we have tens of thousands of terror targets to attack! Not sure if we really could do it otherwise. Just think about that for yourself! Personally I have never known a war as moral as this one. Telling civilians to move south also meant telling the enemy where you want to strike, giving them the advance whilst disadvantaged yourself. Opening up humanitarian corridors, helping babies in incubators to move. I conclude the IDF is the most moral army in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 @Leo Gura the irony is that the situation seems beneficial for both Hamas (they got Israel to fight back making the palestine question relevant again) and Israel (many say their true goal is not to "destroy hamas" but to exploit the attention to the strip to speed up the process of making the west bank settlements definitive and expel the residual palestinian polulation that is "in the way"). https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/palestinians-in-west-bank-flee-after-settler-violence-we-were-forced-to-leave-7d3c1988?mod=hp_lead_pos1 the nytimes wrote about it aswell and they have free articles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, jaylimix said: Personally I have never known a war as moral as this one. Ok. 3 minutes ago, jaylimix said: Telling civilians to move south also meant telling the enemy where you want to strike, giving them the advance whilst disadvantaged yourself. Ok. 4 minutes ago, jaylimix said: Opening up humanitarian corridors, helping babies in incubators to move. Ok. 4 minutes ago, jaylimix said: I conclude the IDF is the most moral army in the world. Genius. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, jaylimix said: Personally I have never known a war as moral as this one. Telling civilians to move south also meant telling the enemy where you want to strike, giving them the advance whilst disadvantaged yourself. Opening up humanitarian corridors, helping babies in incubators to move. I conclude the IDF is the most moral army in the world. Communicating to who? People who had their communications cut? How long does it take to move a million people south down a couple of roads under fire? What about all the people that can't move? Screw them right? What about the people when they get south, sit them in a desert right, let them starve, screw them. Blow anyone up that says a bad word about you? Can't have that. Ban me if I say what I really feel right on a communication platform? Criminalize an opposing view that would moderate the response. Israel has flattened almost the entire north from hospitals to schools. Taken no other approach other than bomb, bomb, bomb. Used the most extreme option first, with no sense at all. I conclude the propaganda and self-delusion here is unreal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 5:31 AM, Lila9 said: Usually I don't feel comfortable to say where I am from because I'm a private person in general and I try to keep this is vague as possible. But since you are asking me directly and I can't lie to you, I'm actually an Israeli, live in Israel, I served in the Israeli army a few years ago and I still can vividly remember the 2006 Lebanon war when I was a child and Hezbollah bombed us. This is why I so passionate about the subject, because I speak from my perspective as an Israeli, same as you are. I am NOT a Jew, Israeli, Arab, or a Muslim, for me there is no veil of self-bias, threat of career destruction, or financial incentive. By default this already makes me a better judger of the situation, and I stand with Israel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
