Posted December 3, 2023 On 02/12/2023 at 11:03 AM, Vrubel said: There were definitely a lot of problems including unemployment. Life for Gazans got undeniably worse after Hamas came to power. Such will be the nature if you're ruled by a terrorist organization. But still, they could have had satisfying meaningful lives with their big families and religion. There is always a choice for progress. Before the war Israel was negotiating to allow more Gazans to work in Israel addressing the unemployment issue and helping many people out. Instead, they chose war. So here we are @Vrubel Dude they were driven from their homes and put into a big prison controlled by Israel before Hamas even came to power. All the areas around Gaza are not even Israeli to begin with. Its stolen land. Also Israel blocked them having airports etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 On 02/12/2023 at 11:03 AM, Vrubel said: Sure, but it's a very specific bias. My bias is to feel protective of the more developed "modern" educated people Sure but dont you think that is inherently racist since whites tend to be better educated due to better upbringings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Idk what they are saying or what this is supposed to prove They use „tolerance“ freedom etc to spread their intolerance, ancient thinking etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 On 02/12/2023 at 11:03 AM, Vrubel said: Yes, I know that's how many Russians think. Russian mentality is different because they don't have the democratic tradition and aren't so whiny. An average Russian is used to living economically and resourcefully with the little they have Im not an expert in Russia but I know many that lived there and they were not that poor. Like people in cities where they lived. Sure its not western europe but the world has way way poorer. The country itself is classified as a upper middle economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) On 02/12/2023 at 11:57 AM, Vrubel said: The fact that Russia cannot recognize that Europe has transformed since the time of the Nazis tells you more about Putin than about Europe. This is part of the 'misconception' that I mentioned earlier. Putin is completely deluded in thinking they are degenerate Satanists which makes him do stupid things like invading Ukraine. He is basically a criminal and assumes everybody else is the same because that's his reality. Thinking Hamas can destroy Israel is equally deluded. They can just poke at it. Not more. When ur president of Russia you cannot afford a superpower at your backdoor. NATO is mostly USA, not just Europe and USA has illegally invaded countries and bombed civilians so it is not so crazy to think they might be a threat. Technically USA in the last 30 years has been equally if not more involved in wars compared to Russia Edited December 3, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Thinking Hamas can destroy Israel is equally deluded. They can just poke at it. Not more. When ur president of Russia you cannot afford a superpower at your backdoor. NATO is mostly USA, not just Europe and USA has illegally invaded countries and bombed civilians so it is not so crazy to think they might be a threat. Technically USA in the last 30 years has been equally if not more involved in wars compared to Russia Who said hamas can destroy israel though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: They use „tolerance“ freedom etc to spread their intolerance, ancient thinking etc My original statement that you replied to was this "Theres another chance for "healing"...give them full human rights". I can't believe I have to say this but no you cannot heal someone by conquering them. In that case you would be the one that needs healing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Thinking Hamas can destroy Israel is equally deluded. They can just poke at it. Not more. When ur president of Russia you cannot afford a superpower at your backdoor. NATO is mostly USA, not just Europe and USA has illegally invaded countries and bombed civilians so it is not so crazy to think they might be a threat. Technically USA in the last 30 years has been equally if not more involved in wars compared to Russia In the same way David couldn’t defeat Goliath? LoL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 You say all this yet you say lgbt is „not normal“ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: You say all this yet you say lgbt is „not normal“ Yup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 Just now, Twentyfirst said: Yup Have you even tried shrooms? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: Have you even tried shrooms? Well it doesn’t matter anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Karmadhi said: @Vrubel Dude they were driven from their homes and put into a big prison controlled by Israel before Hamas even came to power. All the areas around Gaza are not even Israeli to begin with. Its stolen land. Also Israel blocked them having airports etc. If Hamas wasn't in power they would still have their airport and have elaborate economic ties with Israel. Isn't it obvious why a terror group cannot be allowed to have an airport? Don't "dude" me. My view is nuanced. The Gaza strip wasn't exactly a concentration camp or a Warsaw Ghetto. The whole approach of the Palestinians to achieve their political goals is absolutely retarded. I have no other word for it. Their evil genius is supposedly that they provoke Israel into an overreaction. That will lead to the discrediting of Israel. What they don't understand is that people are turned off by stage red rabble that cheers when brutalized naked women are paraded on the streets in Pick ups. The scale of their barbarity gave Israel a massive timespan to conduct this war and obviously, while the hostages are still being held, Israel will continue to rage on to pressure Hamas to release them as they did with the first batch recently. The Palestinians have enormous Political capital as an "oppressed people" in a post-colonial world that is very sensitive to these kinds of issues. They even have a unique UN status that Tibetans, Uighurs or Rohingyas can only dream of. Literally all they have to do is not commit, support or celebrate unspeakable deeds of barbarity and the world is theirs. What did MLK, Nelson Mandela and Gandhi have in common? They all carried themselves with dignity, wisdom and non-violence. These are the three ingredients. If you can't win military victories you must win moral victories but they cannot do even that. Edited December 3, 2023 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Karmadhi said: Sure but dont you think that is inherently racist since whites tend to be better educated due to better upbringings? There are also respectable educated Palestinians. It's not racist to have a bias for more developed educated people. If you're deeply stage red you'll think in doggish ways and have a doggish life and the consequences for any depraved actions will be doggish as well. There is a reason punishments are ridiculously harsh in stage-red societies. Edited December 3, 2023 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 50 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Im not an expert in Russia but I know many that lived there and they were not that poor. Like people in cities where they lived. Sure its not western europe but the world has way way poorer. The country itself is classified as a upper middle economy. Yes, Moscow is basically a first-world city. The inequality and corruption in Russia is insanely stark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, bariumly said: 😂😂😂 at least pretend somehow and say that "palestinians undergo genocide" or something more devious, but don't be too transparent and shoot yourself in the foot. For your favor I am saying. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, PurpleTree said: Like in europe/germany etc? Poor europe. Soon Israel will be the safer place to live. Let alone London who seems last month like a formless UN ghost city with no character nor color nor self respect. This is not liberalism. This is radical and suicidal stage green. When they become yellow in the future, I believe that every stage should get permission to express itself in the streets only according to its development and mainly to how healthy it is in the spectrum within his color. Very frustrating the situation today. Edited December 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Nivsch said: When they become yellow in the future, every stage will get permission to express itself in the streets only according to its development and mainly to how healthy it is in the spectrum within his color. A medieval siege would be unthinkable/shameful at a stage yellow/integral thinking world in my view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
