Posted November 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: America is huge for starting wars haha it's very well known outside of the American bubble. If another country attacks you are forced to defend yourself and be "involved". Its mostly about who starts the war America spends the most money by far on this industrial complex. Point blank “One thing the empire is about to realize is that the western public has lost all its appetite for war. All the careful sanitising, video-gamifying and propagandizing that has been put in place since Vietnam in order to build a platform of consent for “humanitarian” wars has cratered into nothing over the course of mere weeks. You can’t have an up close and personal relationship with the reality of bombs and all the things they do to human flesh and then go back to the way you were ever again. Millions of western eyes have been changed forever. “War” is not abstract any more.“ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lila9 said: This narrative that Palestinians have such brutal, radical Islamistic terrorist organizations who terror Israel for years just because they are occupied by Israel, and only if Israel will stop the "occupation" they will stop, is completely wrong and history proved that. They are brutal to their own people too. If it wasn't Israel, they for sure would fight each other all day long. This is their operating system anyway. Edited November 28, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, zazen said: “One thing the empire is about to realize is that the western public has lost all its appetite for war. All the careful sanitising, video-gamifying and propagandizing that has been put in place since Vietnam in order to build a platform of consent for “humanitarian” wars has cratered into nothing over the course of mere weeks. You can’t have an up close and personal relationship with the reality of bombs and all the things they do to human flesh and then go back to the way you were ever again. Millions of western eyes have been changed forever. “War” is not abstract any more.“ America gives me Death Star Darth Vader type vibes. Like they just destroy everything for no reason and have millions of idiot stormtroopers robotically following orders and you can't stop them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: We don't need to pick sides in this particular conflict and I'm not saying there is one right and the other wrong. It's just that there's flawed logic on both ends. Israel terrorizing Gaza is also a form of terrorism. Not much different from Hamas, just sophisticated. The flawed logic is to equalize Hamas to IDF. They are the complete opposite of eachother by their goals, values, level of development. If people don't know how to distinguish between an army which aims to protects its civilians and between a terrorist organization which aims to kill and destroy as much people as possible, then there is a serious problem. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: They are brutal to their own people too. If it wasn't Israel, they for sure would fight each other all day long. This is their operating system anyway. So what about Nakba? You guys always seem to skeet around that part Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: The flawed logic is to equalize Hamas to IDF. They are the complete opposite of eachother by their goals, values, level of development. If people don't know how to distinguish between an army which aims to protects its civilians and between a terrorist organization which aims to kill and destroy as much people as possible, then there is a serious problem. Not realizing that killing 15,000 women and children because 1,500 of your people got killed is disproportionate is a serious problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Lila9 said: The flawed logic is to equalize Hamas to IDF. They are the complete opposite of eachother by their goals, values, level of development. If people don't know how to distinguish between an army which aims to protects its civilians and between a terrorist organization which aims to kill and destroy as much people as possible, then there is a serious problem. And this toxic extreme relativism ("just two sides of the same coin") end up serving only the less developed and in our case also less healthy side. Edited November 28, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Twentyfirst said: So what about Nakba? You guys always seem to skeet around that part There was a war between Jews and Arabs, Jews won. The end. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Not realizing that killing 15,000 women and children because 1,500 of your people got killed is disproportionate is a serious problem. A very serious problem is awarengly ignoring the fact that Hamas deliberately uses people in Gaza as human shields, and blaming everything on Israel. Luckily there won't be Hamas soon. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, Nivsch said: They are brutal to their own people too. If it wasn't Israel, they for sure would fight each other all day long. This is their operating system anyway. Yes, Arabs treat each other really bad. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Lila9 said: There was a war between Jews and Arabs, Jews won. The end. You mean there was an invasion by the Jews to the Arabs? And they haven't won shit. Like you said everyday you fear for your life (even though you are on a forum jerking off all day) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lila9 said: A very serious problem is awarengly ignoring the fact that Hamas deliberately uses people in Gaza as human shields, and blaming everything on Israel. Luckily there won't be Hamas soon. Okay stormtrooper #895843 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 @Twentyfirst Oke buddy, cool down. Enough internet for today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 @Vrubel Hopefully all of Israel will be eradicated soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Yes, You're such a smart big boy. Big boy with a big brain. Keep an eye out on the clock, almost bedtime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) I would really like to see this discussion elevate to Tier 2 rather than cycling over and over again on Tier 1 finger pointing. Try to notice that finger-pointing is not achieving anything. Edited November 29, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) The Peace Groups are at Tier 2. “There Is an Alternative”: Meet the Israeli & Palestinian “Combatants for Peace” Urging Nonviolence https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/27/combatants_for_peace_israel_palestine Edited November 29, 2023 by Jodistrict Vincit omnia Veritas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Leo Gura said: I would really like to see this discussion elevate to Tier 2 rather than cycling over and over again on Tier 1 finger pointing. Try to notice that finger-pointing is not achieving anything. Before you can go to tier 2 you need to have the most unbiased facts and data resources and people here are still listening to aljazerrah and shady X or telegram accounts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Leo Gura said: Yes. If Hamas was as evil as some of you want to believe they would have killed all the hostages. I think they took the hostages in the first place so they can use them as a pressure card against Israel if things got bad and it did, so no point in killing them. But the thing is, were any hostages harmed or women raped? I was actually surprised when Hammas started shooting down civilians in 7th October, Islam clearly prohibits killing civilians. It is a well known teaching among Muslims, not to kill civilians, women, old people, children or anyone who doesn't hold a weapon. "Say to the sheep in your secrecy when you intend to slaughter it, Today you are slaughtered and tomorrow I am. Both of us will be consumed. My blood and your blood, my suffering and yours is the essence that nourishes the tree of existence.'" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LSD-Rumi said: so no point in killing them For all the bombing Israel did, there was plenty of motive to kill the hostages. Edited November 29, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
