Posted November 28, 2023 @Leo Gura Please don’t believe aljazera and horrible Hamas supporters. Hamas people are the scum and garbage of humanity. They have nothing to do with human rights or resistance to occupation. They are terrorists, Jew-haters, anti-Semites, who do not care about the lives of the poor residents of Gaza. Their leaders in Qatar are celebrating on the ass of all the poor residents, whose only hope for a good life is to join Hamas and kill Jews and bring "respect" and some money to their family. They have no other option. We absolutely need to eliminate this organization and build better infrastructure and better governance for the poor people of Gaza City. The government in Israel thought for years that strengthening Hamas and building better civil infrastructure for the people of Gaza would prevent them from committing terrorism and the Israelis were wrong. As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza and teaches the citizens to hate Jews this problem will continue. They need other, reasonable leaders who do not teach hatred and try to build something new and better for the people of Gaza. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territories-opts-country-of-concern/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territories-opts-country-of-concern#torture From the UK governments website on Israels use of torture: There are continued allegations by NGOs of mistreatment of Palestinian detainees by the Israeli authorities. Palestinian prisoner Arafat Jaradat died in Israeli custody in February 2013; Israeli authorities denied allegations that his death was a result of torture. The UK has made clear to the Israeli authorities the importance we attach to a full investigation into the circumstances of his death, including the allegations of mistreatment. Whilst noting that acts of torture are criminal under Israeli law, we called at Israel’s UPR for “necessity” to be removed as a possible justification for torture, and for all allegations of torture and ill-treatment to be promptly and effectively investigated, with perpetrators prosecuted. In December, the NGO Public Committee Against Torture in Israel reported that, following arrest, Palestinian child detainees were being held outside in iron cages for hours overnight. Justice Minister Tzipi Livni has publicly confirmed that, on hearing the reports, she immediately instructed the Israeli Prison Service to stop this practice. Further: https://www.omct.org/en/resources/blog/its-now-even-more-official-torture-is-legal-in-israel https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/ Edited November 28, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Israeli women and children were kept in cages in captivity by Hamas: https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-775480 Hostages report hunger in captivity: https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/h1krstgh6 An Israeli boy was forced by Hamas to watch the October 7 gore videos when was in captivity: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231128-young-french-israeli-hostages-well-but-suffering-psychological-shock-after-captivity "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 I wish all the Israeli hostages will be released from Hamas captivity soon. I pray for them. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lila9 said: I wish all the Israeli hostages will be released from Hamas captivity soon. I pray for them. And what do you pray for after watching this? My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Israeli logic: Sure we kill a bunch of innocent kids but at least we allow LGBTQSKCIJGE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 @Nivsch highly curious to know your opinion on this video. He is a Holocaust survivor, Mate, so don't forget that. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 And the victim of the century award goes to............. You all guessed right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said: Israeli logic: Sure we kill a bunch of innocent kids but at least we allow LGBTQSKCIJGE . They think everything is a military operation so it can't possibly be anti-humanitarian. Fooling people. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 We don't need to pick sides in this particular conflict and I'm not saying there is one right and the other wrong. It's just that there's flawed logic on both ends. Israel terrorizing Gaza is also a form of terrorism. Not much different from Hamas, just sophisticated. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 @RoerAmit 2 hours ago, RoerAmit said: @Leo Gura Please don’t believe aljazera and horrible Hamas supporters. Hamas people are the scum and garbage of humanity. They have nothing to do with human rights or resistance to occupation. They are terrorists, Jew-haters, anti-Semites, who do not care about the lives of the poor residents of Gaza. Their leaders in Qatar are celebrating on the ass of all the poor residents, whose only hope for a good life is to join Hamas and kill Jews and bring "respect" and some money to their family. They have no other option. We absolutely need to eliminate this organization and build better infrastructure and better governance for the poor people of Gaza City. The government in Israel thought for years that strengthening Hamas and building better civil infrastructure for the people of Gaza would prevent them from committing terrorism and the Israelis were wrong. As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza and teaches the citizens to hate Jews this problem will continue. They need other, reasonable leaders who do not teach hatred and try to build something new and better for the people of Gaza. Gaza does not represent Hamas. You can't generalize an entire population. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 @Buck Edwards WW2 started because of treaties that happened at the end of WW1. WW3 could potentially start because of treaties that happened at the end of WW2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Buck Edwards said: @RoerAmit Gaza does not represent Hamas. You can't generalize an entire population. Ya they know that Gaza is mostly children but they don't give a fuck they will still blame them for Hamas. Which if you are honest with yourself whats wrong with fighting off occupation forces? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Twentyfirst said: @Buck Edwards WW2 started because of treaties that happened at the end of WW1. WW3 could potentially start because of treaties that happened at the end of WW2 Too many wars already - Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Gaza. I think there's a pattern here. These are already a bunch of countries and this does not look minor. I don't even know the ground situation. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Buck Edwards said: Too many wars already - Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Gaza. I think there's a pattern here. These are already a bunch of countries and this does not look minor. I don't even know the ground situation. America does a lot of evil in the name of "freedom, peace, and democracy", ya know? It's behind a lot of the worlds problems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Twentyfirst said: America does a lot of evil in the name of "freedom, peace, and democracy", ya know? It's behind a lot of the worlds problems The whole world is involved in wars, not just America. Plus there's military industrial complex but I don't wanna bring that here. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: The whole world is involved in wars, not just America. Plus there's military industrial complex but I don't wanna bring that here. America is huge for starting wars haha it's very well known outside of the American bubble. If another country attacks you are forced to defend yourself and be "involved". Its mostly about who starts the war America spends the most money by far on this industrial complex. Point blank Edited November 28, 2023 by Twentyfirst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 It's impossible for me to read the stuff here and take it seriously. Many of you seem very childish and only interested in playing games. I am open to good points and interesting POVs from people who can use their brains. If you think you're discrediting Israel I would suggest you're only really making the case for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Vrubel said: It's impossible for me to read the stuff here and take it seriously. Many of you seem very childish and only interested in playing games. I am open to good points and interesting POVs from people who can use their brains. If you think you're discrediting Israel I would suggest you're only really making the case for it. +1 ❤ 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: And what do you pray for after watching this? This narrative that Palestinians have such brutal, radical Islamistic terrorist organizations who terror Israel for years just because they are occupied by Israel, and only if Israel will stop the "occupation" they will stop, is completely wrong and history proved that. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
