Posted November 13, 2023 Hamas admitted it's not their job to protect civilians but it's the duty of UN. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzFu8ONo4ar/?igshid=MTI1dTlncnJicWU1OQ== "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 An Israeli Arab woman, Sophia Shramko, about the claims Israel is an Aparthid or commiting ethnical genocide: "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Nivsch said: Direct experience is important https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgY0GLtVhV/?igshid=MXhnczJ2NHFla2lkYg== Isn’t it banned? If they did protest they would get arrested, they arent stupid.😀 you said in another thread, stupidly, that the arabs in Israel arent really equal to Jewish people. They have to shut their mouths and parrot the Israel is great narrative. Edited November 13, 2023 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) @Merkabah Star No. What I meant is that even though officialy there is equality (and there is) human beings are still human beings, and under the radar some discrimination can happen from time to time and there is probably some amount of that if we want to be realistic. Thats why this is not 100%. Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 French president Macron calling for ceasefire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: French president Macron calling for ceasefire He took his words back (to some extent) the day after that and emphasized again his support for Israel. Calling to a ceasefire and doing so is Immoral as long as 239 hostages are held by hamas and the pressure on him is necessary, as long as we know that ceasefire will only make hamas in a better position tactically, and as long as local humanitarian breaks are already happen every day anyway. Conclusion: No ceasefire is justified. Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Merkabah Star No. What I meant is that even though officialy there is equality (and there is) human beings are still human beings, and under the radar some discrimination can happen from time to time and there is probably some amount of that if we want to be realistic. Thats why this is not 100%. Below is the quote from the other thread where you said it. 1. Arabs in Israel get better rights than any other country surrounding Israel. Ironically. 2. Arabs here get any decent function in society you can think about - lawyers, judges, scientists, journalists, parliament members.... 3. Is this 100% equal to jews? No. But improving. 4. Jew majority in the population and in the parliament (knesset) is still necessary and has to be maintained. I’m not really buying your new explanation. If it’s not 100% equal to Jews, it’s not equal. Edited November 13, 2023 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: I’m not really buying your new explanation. If it’s not 100% equal to Jews, it’s not equal. You are free to think and interpret this however you want. Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, Nivsch said: He took his words back (to some extent) the day after that and emphasized again his support for Israel. Calling to a ceasefire and doing so is Immoral as long as 239 hostages are held by hamas and the pressure on him is necessary, as long as we know that ceasefire will only make hamas in a better position tactically, and as long as local humanitarian breaks are already happen every day anyway. Conclusion: No ceasefire is justified. smh show me the video of him taking it back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 @PurpleTree https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy/1699796129-macron-tells-herzog-he-unequivocally-supports-israel-s-right-to-self-defense 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) An American nurse got out of Gaza, she has witnessed what's going on there, apart from the constant bombing, the lack of food and water is killing innocents too. Before he mentions it, I also thought about how a girl like this wasn't like gang-raped in there. I don't think it's my twisted mind, this image of savages is sold about Palestinians. The main thing is that Israel should stop doing mass terrorism and ethnic cleansing and displacement, which is what they are doing right now. Hasan's comments are on point. Palestinian civilians are not human shields, they are people who decide not to evacuate because they know they won't be allowed to return. Israel's excuse to bomb anything in there is just false. Words of the US congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, Palestinian people are not disposable. They are human beings like anyone else. The apartheid state is a shame. There are a lot of complexities, I won't deny that, but if an ethnic group has much better treatment under the law than another, plus the daily coercion, violence, and abuse perpetrated by the enforcement and judicial systems, and even by armed civilians from one group over the other, this is very simple to understand. It wasn't acceptable in the US, in Europe, in South Africa, and it isn't in the state of Israel. Edited November 14, 2023 by Hatfort Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) @Nivsch Avi Dirchter (minister of Agriculture) is calling it the Nakba of Gaza. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czmp3E3rK1Y/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Macron can support Israel’s right to defend itself is while also supporting a ceasefire. The hostages are being bombed too. Edited November 14, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 @Hatfort Well written. Hassan Abi is pretty on point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) @Hatfort Sorry to disappoint but all the bombing you talk about is mostly gone and now this is mainly a ground operation. hamas is also a big cause to the lack of food and water. Did you know hamas even took medicine equipment from hospitals and pain killers for itself? You think hamas is stupid and thats your problem. It is much more smart and psychologically manipulative than you think and you are falling prey to its hands. I am not saying Israel doesnt have to be more surgical and accurate in its actions but the western world is so naive and can't see we are dealing with a clever virus and not just a stupid suicidal animal. Edited November 14, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Hatfort Sorry to disappoint but all the bombing you talk about is mostly gone and now this is mainly a ground operation. hamas is also a big cause to the lack of food and water. Did you know hamas even took medicine equipment from hospitals and pain killers for itself? You think hamas is stupid and thats your problem. It is much more smart and psychologically manipulative than you think and you are falling prey to its hands. I am not saying Israel doesnt have to be more surgical and accurate in its actions but the western world is so naive and can't see we are dealing with a clever virus and not just a stupid suicidal animal. It seems the aim is a Gazan Nakba and to take the land as Netenyahu says indefinitely. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czmp3E3rK1Y/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Look at what Avi Dirtcher has said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 @Nivsch Why would I be disappointed if the bombing stopped? But I'm sorry over 10.000 people died in the previous weeks, children and adults too. I'm still concerned about the people who are dying of the lack of basic supplies and is in the Israeli government's hands to stop this, let them water, food, and medicines to survive. This wouldn't be accepted if any other country in the world did that to any group of people. It would be totally condemned and seen as inhuman behavior. Which would be accurate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Hatfort Sorry to disappoint but all the bombing you talk about is mostly gone and now this is mainly a ground operation. hamas is also a big cause to the lack of food and water. Did you know hamas even took medicine equipment from hospitals and pain killers for itself? You think hamas is stupid and thats your problem. It is much more smart and psychologically manipulative than you think and you are falling prey to its hands. I am not saying Israel doesnt have to be more surgical and accurate in its actions but the western world is so naive and can't see we are dealing with a clever virus and not just a stupid suicidal animal. So your country justifies bombing a place when the situation is already so terrible there because of hamas. I never saw an evacuation effort from your government. Gender-female. Call me Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Sorry to disappoint but all the bombing you talk about is mostly gone and now this is mainly a ground operation. Maybe the bombing stopped because there was a media uproar. Gender-female. Call me Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 @PurpleTree @Nivsch @Lila9 ”One problem Israel keeps running into is how the institutionalized dehumanization of Palestinians which keeps the apartheid state operational also causes Israelis to say things that non-Israelis will find extremely shocking, which hurts Israel’s PR interests. We saw this illustrated in a recent New Yorker interview with Daniella Weiss, a leader of the push to build illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. Weiss stated frankly and unapologetically that she supports apartheid, that she doesn’t believe Palestinians should have any sovereignty anywhere, that she doesn’t believe Palestinians should have voting rights, that she wants the population of Gaza to be replaced by Israeli settlements, and that she is untroubled by the killing of children in Gaza because she feels it’s being done in the interests of Israeli children. “In Israel, there’s a lot of support for settlements, and this is why there have been right-wing governments for so many years. The world, especially the United States, thinks there is an option for a Palestinian state, and, if we continue to build communities, then we block the option for a Palestinian state. We want to close the option for a Palestinian state, and the world wants to leave the option open. It’s a very simple thing to understand.” That one paragraph right there will teach you more about the present-day realities of the Israel-Palestine conflict than an entire year of watching CNN. It’s horrid, and it’s jarring to hear it spoken out loud in a favorable way… but it’s true. This sort of thing has been happening for years. Israelis who’ve been marinating in a self-validating echo chamber of Zionist ideology which dehumanizes Palestinians and normalizes oppression and abuse don’t think twice about saying things that make Israel look bad on the world stage, because to them it’s just the standard status quo way of looking at things. In 2021 a settler from New York named Yaakov Fauci made headlines around the world with his candid statements to a Palestinian family whose Sheikh Jarrah home he was squatting in. Fauci, apparently fully aware that he was being filmed, famously replied to the family’s complaints that he was stealing their home by shamelessly telling them, “If I don’t steal it, someone else will steal it.” And the thing is, he wasn’t lying. He was truthfully describing an abusive dynamic in apartheid Israel where Palestinians are being forced out of their homes in order to control ethnic demographics and advance the agenda outlined above by Daniella Weiss. If he’d been a trained propagandist for the Israeli state he never would have made such comments on camera, but because he was just a Zionism-indocrinated member of the Israeli public he saw no reason to hold his tongue. When talking about the Gaza assault Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made headlines by invoking the biblical nation of Amalek, whose people God instructed the Israelites to commit total genocide against. The first book of Samuel contains the instructions, “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” President Isaac Herzog insinuated last month that all civilians in Gaza are legitimate military targets because they failed to overthrow Hamas, saying, “It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.” When announcing the total siege on Gaza which would see the enclave cut off from electricity, food, water and fuel, Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant stated that “we are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly.” IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said Israel would turn Gaza into a “city of tents” and that Israel’s “emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy” in its bombing campaign. Dan Gillerman, Israel’s former ambassador to the UN, said last month that “I am very puzzled by the constant concern which the world is showing for the Palestinian people and is actually showing for these horrible, inhuman animals who have done the worst atrocities that this century has seen.” “Creating a severe humanitarian crisis in Gaza is a necessary means to achieve the goal,” a major general named Giora Eiland wrote in an Israeli newspaper, adding, “Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.” Israel’s allies keep trying to portray it as a rational actor and a positive force in the world, but if you listen to Israelis themselves you get a very different understanding of what this murderous apartheid state is actually about.” - Caitlin Johnstone https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzmgGf7r0L3/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==Others https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czmp3E3rK1Y/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 14, 2023 53 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Hatfort Sorry to disappoint but all the bombing you talk about is mostly gone and now this is mainly a ground operation. hamas is also a big cause to the lack of food and water. Did you know hamas even took medicine equipment from hospitals and pain killers for itself? You think hamas is stupid and thats your problem. It is much more smart and psychologically manipulative than you think and you are falling prey to its hands. I am not saying Israel doesnt have to be more surgical and accurate in its actions but the western world is so naive and can't see we are dealing with a clever virus and not just a stupid suicidal animal. Israel turned the water, electricity and food access, off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
