Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: There was a scared little girl with a scared little family hiding in an attic when her people were being killed. Palestinians don't hide from even the largest empires the world has ever seen cringe 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: They have proof as seculars that their ancestors lived in Israel (archaeological, historical, DNA) for them it's a good enough reason to return back to it. The notion of Messiah can be arguable, each sector in Judaism believes in a different form of it. People can claim that the Messiah of the secular Zionists was Thodor Herzl sent by God to inspire Jews returning to Israel happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) I’m not bothered by the odd pallywood video, it’s clear as day to see that they are being bombed to hell and that if their electricity hadn’t been cut there would be more actual content. So all the Palestinian deaths and injuries are all made up. Sure.. 😀 Edited November 13, 2023 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: They have proof as seculars that their ancestors lived in Israel (archaeological, historical, DNA) for them it's a good enough reason to return back to it. If Arabs hated Jews then how come they lived peacefully for thousands of years? Ironically it is the Europeans that treated Jews like shit and then just dumped them into Palestine, a country where both lived at peace and nobody was killed or oppressed. Many Arabs were Jewish. Arab is an ethnicity, not religion. You also have Christian Arabs like in Lebanon or Egypt. The bullshit came from the Zionism political movement. Judaism in itself was always accepted in the Middle East. If those Jews went to Palestine as refugees and got integrated into their culture peacefully this bullshit would never have happened. Also dumping all of them in 1 place is bound to disaster when you have people already living there. If you put millions of refugees into a land that has already an identification (Palestine) and then give them a state at the expense of locals you will guarantee to have war. I dont think Palestinians would have much issue with Jews coming there, they lived together for a long time. Many took some in their own homes, only to be kicked out of their homes later. The true issue here is Zionism and the idea of an ethnic Israeli state which is basically racism personified. At least with the other religions you can convert into them but Judaism you cannot, you are born into it. So basically it is a state for people BORN a certain way. Pure discrimination. Edited November 13, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: If Arabs hated Jews then how come they lived peacefully for thousands of years? Ironically it is the Europeans that treated Jews like shit and then just dumped them into Palestine, a country where both lived at peace and nobody was killed or oppressed. Many Arabs were Jewish. Arab is an ethnicity, not religion. You also have Christian Arabs like in Lebanon or Egypt. The bullshit came from the Zionism political movement. Judaism in itself was always accepted in the Middle East. If those Jews went to Palestine as refugees and got integrated into their culture peacefully this bullshit would never have happened. Also dumping all of them in 1 place is bound to disaster when you have people already living there. If you put millions of refugees into a land that has already an identification (Palestine) and then give them a state at the expense of locals you will guarantee to have war. I dont think Palestinians would have much issue with Jews coming there, they lived together for a long time. Many took some in their own homes, only to be kicked out of their homes later. The true issue here is Zionism and the idea of an ethnic Israeli state which is basically racism personified. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 14 hours ago, Twentyfirst said: You still trust definitions? After all the lies you have been fed your entire life. Okay. Why not just look with your eyes and make your own judgments? Huh, sounds familiar. So how many civilians did Hamas unlawfully use violence for political means? And how many did civilians did Netanyahu use since October 7th? Just because you support one group or the other doesn't change the meaning of a word. This is silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) Direct experience is important https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgY0GLtVhV/?igshid=MXhnczJ2NHFla2lkYg== Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Lila9 said: Better for you to ask is why the Palestinians in Gaza, which are constantly being bombed by Israel, 24/7, per the mainstream media, have the time (and acting skills?) to act in the growing industry of Pallywood? If everything is fine in Gaza, why won't Israel let in real journalists? My stats: https://wiseoldman.net/players/equan1mity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Direct experience is important https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzgY0GLtVhV/?igshid=MXhnczJ2NHFla2lkYg== I think i have seen protests and riots by them though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 https://x.com/AbbyMartin/status/1723871914697838751?s=20 ''37 prematurely born babies detached from their incubators at Al Shifa Gaza hospital under attack and siege due to lack of electricity and oxygen and now wrapped in blankets to avoid hypothermia. Kept alive with basic medical methods and at risk of death (2 died earlier today)'' https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/israeli-security-cabinet-member-calls-north-gaza-evacuation-nakba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000 https://x.com/hahauenstein/status/1723441134221869453?s=20 - video of Avi Dichter mentioning this to be a Gaza Nakba. No translation offered so if someone who speaks hebrew can confirm that would be great - although Hareetz already has which is reputable enough? "We are now actually rolling out the Gaza Nakba," says Avi Dichter, Israel's Minister for Agriculture and former head of Shin Bet. Palestinians will get no right to return to the newly conquered land of northern Gaza. Encroachment and settlements just like in West bank except on a mass scale. They will frame helping Gazans to move South to 'safety' as heroic, moral and noble all the whilst the true intention is that of a land grab. Propaganda uses decent human emotion to support indecent inhumane actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) @Buck Edwards She said something like islamophobia is rational (relative to antisemitism) because of Muslim terrorists in a diff thread Edited November 13, 2023 by Jacob Morres Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 59 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said: @Buck Edwards She said something like islamophobia is rational (relative to antisemitism) because of Muslim terrorists in a diff thread Pathetic given what's happening in Gaza. My name is Sara. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) I find the human mind ability to rationalize how a 40% child death rate can be acceptable truly fascinating. Almost half of people dying totally innocent. Let that sink in... Edited November 13, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 Hamas kills Palestinian civilians, Hamas kills Israeli civilians and the world keeps blaming Israel. People are too fool to fall into the trap of Hamas. Hamas are good with manipulation, no doubt. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzlOSfdodea/?igshid=MTFuamY4ZW8zaXZwMQ== Horrible, unbelievable that naive people in the west justify this barbaric behavior. "Freedom fighters" lol. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzlReclo1z0/?igshid=NTNwaDdrcDkxZWFl "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 There shouldn't be tolerance for terrorists like Hamas. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CziM-JBIrg6/?igshid=YjFvM3hxN2tmNmsz "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 Hamas admitted it's not their job to protect civilians but it's the duty of UN, lol. Terrorists don't give a shit about anyone but themselves and their curropted ideology. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzFu8ONo4ar/?igshid=MTI1dTlncnJicWU1OQ== "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Karmadhi said: If Arabs hated Jews then how come they lived peacefully for thousands of years? Ironically it is the Europeans that treated Jews like shit and then just dumped them into Palestine, a country where both lived at peace and nobody was killed or oppressed. Many Arabs were Jewish. Arab is an ethnicity, not religion. You also have Christian Arabs like in Lebanon or Egypt. The bullshit came from the Zionism political movement. Judaism in itself was always accepted in the Middle East. If those Jews went to Palestine as refugees and got integrated into their culture peacefully this bullshit would never have happened. Also dumping all of them in 1 place is bound to disaster when you have people already living there. If you put millions of refugees into a land that has already an identification (Palestine) and then give them a state at the expense of locals you will guarantee to have war. I dont think Palestinians would have much issue with Jews coming there, they lived together for a long time. Many took some in their own homes, only to be kicked out of their homes later. The true issue here is Zionism and the idea of an ethnic Israeli state which is basically racism personified. At least with the other religions you can convert into them but Judaism you cannot, you are born into it. So basically it is a state for people BORN a certain way. Pure discrimination. If Muslim Arabs in particular can't tolerate one Jewish state while they have many, that's not normal, this is not love. Yes, Jews and Arabs co-existed and still co-existing in Israel, but it doesn't cancel the hostility the Muslims countries has towards a one Jewish country. Wanting co-existing with Jews only if it's under Muslim dictatorship or Muslim terms (like charging Jews extra taxes) is not love for Jews. Love is freedom, freedom for the Jews in their one tiny small piece of land (compared to the vast middle east), that is historically, strongly related to them, with their own rules. The freedom to be Jews in Israel. Muslim Arab countries are very hostile for Jews and Europeans, it's not like they are welcomed. At least Israel has some sort of democracy and the freedom for Arabs living there their own lives according to their beliefs. And Arabs who want to become Jews can convert to Judaism. There is a famous singer in Israel who did that: This option is available for all the Arabs in Israel, not many Muslim Arabs want to be Jews though. I doubt that a Jew can just go to Egypt or Lebanon or Syria and be welcomed as an equal citizen and be openly Jew. Edited November 13, 2023 by Lila9 "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lila9 said: Horrible, unbelievable that naive people in the west justify this barbaric behavior. "Freedom fighters" lol. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzlReclo1z0/?igshid=NTNwaDdrcDkxZWFl They have democracy from birth and they got bord. They need now to integrate their red. Not anything rational, this is just stronger than them. Good luck for them to learn the hard way. Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nivsch said: They have democracy from birth and they got bord. They need now to integrate their red. Not anything rational, this is just stronger than them. Good luck for them to learn the hard way. It's probably gonna be in the hard way, very likely. To get to the integration of Red it requires some shadow work and I don't know if it will happen soon. Most people don't care about such things. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lila9 said: It's probably gonna be in the hard way, very likely. To get to the integration of Red it requires some shadow work and I don't know if it will happen soon. Most people don't care about such things. If they keep their attitude, it will get into them through the back door. Edited November 13, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) “We must expel Arabs and take their place. Up to now, all our aspirations have been based on an assumption – one that has been vindicated throughout our activities in the country – that there is enough room in the land for the Arabs and ourselves. But if we are compelled to use force – not in order to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev or Transjordan, but in order to guarantee our right to settle there – our force will enable us to do so.” - Ben Gurion ( First prime minister of Israel ) Source: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2013/04/06/the-ben-gurion-letter/ Edited November 13, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
