Posted November 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: Where? Show me? Israeli army protecting Gaza civilians from Hamas terrorists shooting Gaza civilians while they are moving to the South: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzYioE0N-kr/?igshid=MWk3c21jOTYydWw4eA== This: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czi99ULIoEE/?igshid=MnZ5dnJxNXFvcmFv This: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzjU5tmoBqC/?igshid=bW9yOTQ3MXF1Y2Rn 13 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: I love them. They're welcome. War is not their solution. Just like you can't blame Americans for the stupidity of Bush, I can't blame Israelis for the stupidity of Netanyahu. They talked about the IDF, not Netanyahu. They know the army in their country, they served there and people here are still rude enough to dismissive their perspective. I'm sure that if their army was ruthless like the Russian army they would have blantly say that. 15 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: It's in the news. You don't seem to follow. The news you consume might be biased against Israel, bear it in your mind, they may not present the full picture. They would tell you "Israel bombed a building" but they very likely wouldn't mention Israel attempts to evacuate this building and the Hamas attempts of forcing civilians to stay in the building. They don't address Hamas abuse of Palestinians. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lila9 said: The news you consume might be biased against Israel, bear it in your mind, What should be the reason for bias? My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: That should be a non issue. All deaths should be condemned. Let's not politicize it when children are without resources. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said: I suggest that Israel stop the killings of children. If Israel really wanted a future for these children, they would have already had one. They could have kidnapped the children instead of bombing them. They could have easily transported these children to other safer places in the world for their future. Everything is possible if there's intent for it. Hamas is nothing but a terrorist organization. It won't be as big as Russia. Israel can take care of Hamas. The war is never for Hamas. No terrorist organization has the funding of a country. They can hardly kill anyone, at least not 10,000 children. They can carry out terror strikes but it won't destroy a whole nation the way a war does. Are you going to tell me that a powerful country can't deal with terrorists given the technology that we have today? That would be a joke. All of that has been proven to be wrong in october 7th while before that you maybe would be right. Keep in mind that without bombing before, IDF would be sitting ducks in front of hamas fortifications prepared for IDF for years what would make hundreds of soldiers getting killed in Gaza by now. Edited November 12, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: The world only cares about deaths when it's done by Israel. Other deaths are fine and can be ignored. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said: What should be the reason for bias? Liberal influence in the media. Which is not bad, but can be too black and white and lack in nuance. It's automatically presents Palestine as the weak and good while Israel as the strong and bad. Which is not necessarily correct as the reality is more complex than that. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Lila9 said: They talked about the IDF, not Netanyahu. They know the army in their country, they served there and people here are still rude enough to dismissive their perspective. I'm sure that if their army was ruthless like the Russian army they would have blantly say that. So by not blindly believing Israelie posters we are rude. the bombing of Gaza has proved their army is ruthless to the highest degree. your arguments are getting poorer as you go on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 56 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said: @Lila9 The settlers occupation shit can be considered ethnic cleansing, look up the definition. Ethnic cleansing doesn't require direct killing. People tend to link specific words with extreme scenarios. For instance, when hearing "ethnic cleansing," the immediate association is often with mass killings, like the Holocaust. However, ethnic cleansing also involves expulsion or displacement, as seen in current situations, such as Gazans being pushed towards Egypt or people from the West Bank moving into Jordan. While these events may not reach the extreme levels of mechanistic killing seen in the Holocaust, they still represent instances of ethnic cleansing. The extreme cases often shape our understanding of the associated words, even if the current reality is not identical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: So by not blindly believing Israelie posters we are rude. the bombing of Gaza has proved their army is ruthless to the highest degree. your arguments are getting poorer as you go on. No, it's just you the one who doesn't want to listen and stuck in your bias that IDF is some sadistic devil. If they were interested in hurting innocents they wouldn't request them to evacuate. You don't know how IDF operates, you don't know its values and agenda better than Israeli here who know the army's mentality because they share the same mentality and served there. And yes, it's rude to claim that you know better than someone who knows it closer than you. Edited November 12, 2023 by Lila9 "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Lila9 said: Israeli soldiers help Gaza civilians to pass through the humanitarian passage way: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czi99ULIoEE/?igshid=MnZ5dnJxNXFvcmFv That’s a propaganda video. One family only to go down the humanitarian passage? 😀 so kind to hand them some water bottles. Turn the water back on if you want to be seen as kind and compassionate in the worlds eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Keep in mind that without bombing before, IDF would be sitting ducks in front of hamas fortifications prepared for IDF for years what would make hundreds of soldiers getting killed in Gaza by now. That would have been an actual war. Face the enemy head on. This is cowardice. Killing and bombing to save soldiers? My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: That’s a propaganda video. One family only to go down the humanitarian passage? 😀 so kind to hand them some water bottles. Turn the water back on if you want to be seen as kind and compassionate in the worlds eyes. It always will be propaganda for you, no matter what, you can't see beyond your cynical view. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Liberal influence in the media. You better thank this liberal influence. You don't wanna imagine what atrocities might have been committed in the absence of this influence. My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said: That would have been an actual war. Face the enemy head on. This is cowardice. Killing and bombing to save soldiers? 100%. It's not even a war. Unbalanced and unjustifiable on all points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 @Nivsch @Lila9 Can you tell me why there's an Israeli general's son in this podcast/interview? What's his agenda to be anti-israel? My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Basman said: Hamas are terrorists by definition of the word. You still trust definitions? After all the lies you have been fed your entire life. Okay. Why not just look with your eyes and make your own judgments? 8 hours ago, Basman said: They unlawfully use violence on civilians for political aims. It is textbook terrorism. Huh, sounds familiar. So how many civilians did Hamas unlawfully use violence for political means? And how many did civilians did Netanyahu use since October 7th? Keep posting memes I think they prove the point better anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lila9 said: No, it's just you the one who doesn't want to listen and stuck in your bias that IDF is some sadistic devil. If they were interested in hurting innocents they wouldn't request them to evacuate. You don't know how IDF operates, you don't know its values and agenda better than Israeli here who know the army's mentality because they share the same mentality and served there. And yes, it's rude to claim that you know better than someone who knows it closer than you. I’ve known plenty of Israelies in my life, most are beautiful souls and super kind. It is a very different mindset to the west though when you talk with them about the ongoing issues there, as this type of thread exposes. It’s cultural. Both view points are set in stone. via podcast I listen to both sides, usually via American commentators, and both sides seem over the top to me and extreme, lots of screaming and shouting, the right saying everyone is an anti semite and the left screaming about the genocide, and that again is the American culture being different to the Australian. (I’m talking about the young Turks and Megan Kelly show, they are both far extremes, Glenn Greenwald is a bit better on the ears 😀) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 In that video, @Nivsch, a lot of Israelis are cheering the deaths in Gaza, even saying that entire Gaza should be eliminated (which means genocided), to their satisfaction. Weren't the Israelis complaining that Gazans are spitting and celebrating Oct 7 incidents and they want the eradication of Israel? But here we see pictures of something else. Israelis celebrating the complete elimination of Gaza. That doesn't sound too different from terrorism. What's your take on that? My name is Victoria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 Basically this situation will always be a back n forth unless you go back to Nakba which basically says that the Israelis used holocaust guilt to be dickheads to innocent Palestinians. Everything before Nakba doesn't matter and everything after Nakba doesn't matter. Please try to argue with this logic just try Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Lila9 said: It always will be propaganda for you, no matter what, you can't see beyond your cynical view. I could say the same about you. I’m your mirror. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
