New War In Israel / Gaza

[PurpleTree]

49 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

After 1200 murdered and 240 hostages who suffer right now in nightmare which is maybe and most likely 100 times more of any gazaian (not to cancel gazaian's situation but the world anyway talk almost only about them) so yes, I dont really think Israel has another option right now but to put the higher pressure possible on hamas. 

Do you mean that maybe what happens affect the sides in both ways? Disturb the relationships but also help too?

See, I am not sure the palestinian authority cares too much of what happen in gaza but I am not an expert so dont really know what it does.

The problem is that I really think that peace with red-blue culture won't be possible without also talk their language, and build a respectful character, what almost anybody here not emphasize enough.

So how many palestinians are you willing to kill for this

another 10/20/50 thousand?

the kids there are innocent and did nothing to deserve this you know

[Breakingthewall]

57 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The problem is that I really think that peace with red-blue culture won't be possible without also talk their language, and build a character they will respect, what almost anybody here not emphasize enough.

This is real, If you show weakness, your enemies will not respect you and your people will feel enormous insecurity, it will be the beginning of the end of Israel. I suppose that Israeli politicians have faced this dilemma for 100 years and there is only one doctrine: force. When in doubt, strength, always better too much than too little.

Really, if you are surrounded by enemies, you have to be like that, or curl up in bed crying for mom. there is no middle ground

[Jodistrict]

This is an interesting video from a Muslim man who advocates using a boycott to support a Palestinian state.   This makes a lot of sense. 

There are 2 billion Muslims in the world and they have a huge reserve of oil money.  Why can’t they use peaceful means like boycotts, strikes, etc. to effect change?   One problem with violence is that it just makes the world more dumb.  Nobody learns anything.   A peaceful boycott would take billions of people getting involved and using their power to take moral actions.  Each one of us actually has economic power – we are given the freedom to choose which product we are going to buy.   We can drive any corporation out of business by our own choice even if the government and corrupt politicians support the corporation. 

If Islam is a religion of peace, they can use that spiritual power to organize massive numbers of people to take moral actions and elevate humanity.  Everyone will become more intelligent and it will create communities and human connection.    A boycott worked on South Africa. 

We have to all take responsibility and start organizing and changing the world with peaceful but powerful methods.  The continued used of violence will result in the eventual destruction of humanity.

 

 

 

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

This is an interesting video from a Muslim man who advocates using a boycott to support a Palestinian state.   This makes a lot of sense. 

There are 2 billion Muslims in the world and they have a huge reserve of oil money.  Why can’t they use peaceful means like boycotts, strikes, etc. to effect change?   One problem with violence is that it just makes the world more dumb.  Nobody learns anything.   A peaceful boycott would take billions of people getting involved and using their power to take moral actions.  Each one of us actually has economic power – we are given the freedom to choose which product we are going to buy.   We can drive any corporation out of business by our own choice even if the government and corrupt politicians support the corporation. 

If Islam is a religion of peace, they can use that spiritual power to organize massive numbers of people to take moral actions and elevate humanity.  Everyone will become more intelligent and it will create communities and human connection.    A boycott worked on South Africa. 

We have to all take responsibility and start organizing and changing the world with peaceful but powerful methods.  The continued used of violence will result in the eventual destruction of humanity.

 

 

 

 

How about  boycotting  china for the uighurs?

Nah won’t happen

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by PurpleTree

[hundreth]

2 hours ago, Nabd said:

Israel gravest mistake is funding Hamas and not accepting that no Jewish state will be possible.

The first part, sure. Unfortunately for those who don't like there being a Jewish state and claim it won't be possible - it not only IS possible. It exists right now. Sorry not sorry.

[Nivsch]

"There is a silent agreement (in the Arab world) that Israel should go in there and eliminate hamas".

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzK8EiRtl3s/?igshid=MjN3MWcwc3I5YWg0

Edited November 5, 2023 by Nivsch

[Jodistrict]

Netanyahu’s son is in the US to avoid Israel military duty.     His corrupt father gets billions from the American tax payer by peddling violence and fear.  That should tell you everything you need to know about how the system works. It works for the few but not for the many.

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/117250/benjamin-netanyahu-son-yair-israel-war-florida

 

[Razard86]

On 10/29/2023 at 11:15 PM, Nabd said:

Proud of what? I am irreligious and I don't care about nationalities much. In fact the only true patriots are the ones who are able to say their country is shit when it is shit.

But that's cool about Judaism. I actually did DNA test and I have alot of Jewish DNA and even my family traces back to Jerusalem so it make sense.

There is no Jewish DNA. This is a myth.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2014.00462/full

If you don't want to read that whole link here is the summary from it.

"

Jews were recognized over the ages as a People of a distinct religion, or as a People with unique socio-cultural bonds, in various contexts and at different times. But it was claimed that what ultimately maintained the Jews identity were their genealogical linkage: Jews were perceived as the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the three patriarchs, not only spiritually but primarily biologically.

Obviously, what kept Jews identity were their language, culture, tradition and religion. Thus, whatever their biological hereditary kinships, both the trans-generational vertical, and intra-generation horizontal relationships are secondary consequences. However, the increasing reliance on scientific reductionism in biological thinking of the last two centuries eventually culminated in turning the evidence of DNA sequences into the essence of the characterization of Jewishness rather than its consequence. Still, in spite of repeated efforts, there is no agreed upon criterion to identify Jews, and samples examined for the distribution of biological or molecular markers all depend on the preconceived biases of the investigators. Races, it is assumed, may differ in inherent properties that are evaluated differentially. But races are not biological-meaningful classification entities. And if so, why is racism a bad property? The answer must be: Because it provides socio-cultural justifications for discrimination on the basis of presumed and irrelevant biological properties."

^^^^Basically....humans are fighting a war on made up divisions....that don't actually exist. Its a war of bullshit. Like all conflicts.

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Razard86

[Merkabah Star]

3 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Netanyahu’s son is in the US to avoid Israel military duty.     His corrupt father gets billions from the American tax payer by peddling violence and fear.  That should tell you everything you need to know about how the system works. It works for the few but not for the many.

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/117250/benjamin-netanyahu-son-yair-israel-war-florida

 

He would be as useless as Prince Harry was in Afghanistan. 😀

 

[zazen]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyYiXStoAer/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyYiXStoAer/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/netanyahu-suspends-israeli-minister-for-saying-dropping-nuclear-bomb-on-gaza-one-of-the-possibilities-13001055

 

https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1721239223091536228?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

 

Not a good look for those governing Israel

Edited November 5, 2023 by zazen

[lina]

12 hours ago, Nivsch said:

"There is a silent agreement (in the Arab world) that Israel should go in there and eliminate hamas".

The Arab funded leadership* is not the Arab world. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by lina

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, lina said:

The Arab leadership* is not the Arab world. 

Leadership reflects a big chunck of the population.

[lina]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Leadership reflects a big chunck of the population.

The opposite is true. There's a reason why all Arab leaders are dictators. 

[Lila9]

"You will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke - come on, we are waiting for you" Palestinian political activist Ahed Tamimi said.

That's when you are raised since birth to hate Jews instead love, co-existence and peace.

This is what Israeli soliders are dealing with on the west bank every day, this exact kind of hate, violence and death threats and this is what they are responding to.

https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771102

[zazen]

38 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Leadership reflects a big chunck of the population.

If leaders and politicians reflect the population then what about Israel’s?
 

A democracy reflects the people more than a dictator, so Israel’s leadership is more accurately representing its people than say Hamas - among the politicians you have guys calling to use nukes as an option.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/netanyahu-suspends-israeli-minister-for-saying-dropping-nuclear-bomb-on-gaza-one-of-the-possibilities-13001055

 

20-30% isn’t a big chunk of the population as you mention below.

Edited November 6, 2023 by zazen

[Nivsch]

40 minutes ago, lina said:

The opposite is true. There's a reason why all Arab leaders are dictators. 

They can't survive without 20-30% support at least.

For example, all the protests in Israel last year were because the citizens were afraid Netanyahu will change the regime to escape his trial. In a country like Israel didcatorship is not possible as long as the values composition throughout the society will stay western-like. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

@zazen But this guy represents barely a handful of % if not a fraction.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

20 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

"You will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke - come on, we are waiting for you" Palestinian political activist Ahed Tamimi said.

That's when you are raised since birth to hate Jews instead love, co-existence and peace.

This is what Israeli soliders are dealing with on the west bank every day, this exact kind of hate, violence and death threats and this is what they are responding to.

https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771102

Exactly. 

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

"You will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke - come on, we are waiting for you" Palestinian political activist Ahed Tamimi said.

That's when you are raised since birth to hate Jews instead love, co-existence and peace.

This is what Israeli soliders are dealing with on the west bank every day, this exact kind of hate, violence and death threats and this is what they are responding to.

https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771102

That’s disgusting of that activist to say. There’s extremists on both sides.

This is what Palestinians are dealing with for example:

https://x.com/subjectiveviews/status/1721372139905839306?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

The difference is the extremists on the Palestinian side are made extreme by the extreme conditions their born into whilst the extremists on the Israeli side are made extreme via culture and upbringing. The Palestinians can and are of course being raised in extreme ways also but their living conditions give birth to that extreme ideology - conditions imposed by Israel.

Israelis use past extreme conditions (Holocaust and being exiled from multiple communities) in the present day where anti Semitism isn't such a big issue. The creation of a ethno-state like Israel to those hardships Jews faced was the cure, but that cure brings about its own ailments and side effects - mainly when creating it the displacement of the indigenous people and for its continued existence apartheid like conditions for the Arabs due to the fear of them resisting or what the ignorant narrative likes to call terrorism.

 

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

@zazen But this guy represents barely a handful of % if not a fraction.

But it’s many politicians or who have spoken in a genocidal manner. I think power not only corrupts but it attracts the most corrupt personalities from the population.

Edited November 6, 2023 by zazen

[Karmadhi]

@Nivsch Since you seem a reasonable Israeli, I have a question.

How is the Nakba justified in Israeli society, I saw a video of a Jewish professor saying you cannot even mention it there. Are Israelis aware of it and if yes, how is it justified?

Nakba - Wikipedia for info.