New War In Israel / Gaza

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

For the first time, I don't know what the truth is when it comes to this war.  It's been so saturated with misinformation and garbage that I don't know if the US is backing Israel because that's the right thing to do (terrorism) or because of mAiNsTrEaM mEdiA is purposely manipulating the media to show Gaza in a bad light.  Then there's the history of bombings and killings of Palestinians before this war by Israel.

I've been out of the loop about this situation since it started as I had to do things in life recently, so imagine my surprise when idk what the hell is going on lmao

 

And you certainly wont know from this thread.  That said - i think war is a bitch. It doesn't matter who is right anymore - it is about who wins.   My bias is that Israel must stand its ground and destroy all threats.  But at what cost?  At the cost of forgoing their humanity?  Then again, most leaders left their humanity at the door 

[MuadDib]

 

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, hundreth said:

After the entire convo we had, and what you were shown... for you to still say that. If you were here in person I would sock you in the face. Unapologetically. 

Sorry mods.

Btw, if I were you I'd try to be less ridiculous. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Lila9]

Shani Louk's death has been  confirmed after her family believed she was alive and heavily injured in Gaza's hospital which happen to be a false report:

 

[Lila9]

Hamas attack: 80% of bodies were tortured:

 

[Twentyfirst]

10 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:

For the first time, I don't know what the truth is when it comes to this war.  It's been so saturated with misinformation and garbage that I don't know if the US is backing Israel because that's the right thing to do (terrorism) or because of mAiNsTrEaM mEdiA is purposely manipulating the media to show Gaza in a bad light.  Then there's the history of bombings and killings of Palestinians before this war by Israel.

I've been out of the loop about this situation since it started as I had to do things in life recently, so imagine my surprise when idk what the hell is going on lmao

 

Just look back at 1948. Jewish people got merked by Hitler and they took out their frustration by stealing land from Palestinians in the name of victimhood and religion. Once you understand that part then it all is pretty simple. The Jews who complain about Hitler weren't even alive at that time and the Palestinians who complain about Jews are definitely still alive 

[Nivsch]

Israel's society at its best 🍎🥑🥭📦📝

Every 1 out of 2 Israelis - 50% - go to volunteer these days!

One the most pupular help here is agriculture in the Israeli villages near gasa strip that have lost its workers after october 7th.

And also many more kinds of valunteering works. Just everyone try to help. I try to metiate it with some pictures/videos just to get the feeling of whats going on.

VID-20231104-WA0007(2).mp4

Edited November 4, 2023 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

20 hours ago, DawnC said:

There is a huge difference between having a desire to live peacefully with your neighbors and caring for them the same way you care about your own people.

The Gulf countries, Middle Eastern nations, stability in the region, Ukraine, the US and Europe, along with Iran's secular and moderate populations—essentially, the Iranian regime poses a threat to the civilized world. Their entire belief system is built on opposing America and the West, and they are determined to gain control over their entire region. Ask yourself what made the Abraham Accords possible. The moderate Gulf countries understand this threat better than any of us.

Isn't the whole point of democracy to let the people in other countries choose how they live? Let Iran be what it wants to be

[DawnC]

10 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Isn't the whole point of democracy to let the people in other countries choose how they live? Let Iran be what it wants to be

Unfortunately Iran is not a liberal democracy.  And I'm not in the business of interfering with their domestic decisions. I'm in the business of being aware that some nations/regimes can be hostile, harbor bad intentions, and may be willing to act against other countries. The spectrum of options available to nations includes these choices as well. 

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Hamas attack: 80% of bodies were tortured:

 

15 hours ago, hundreth said:

 

That guy says that 80% of the bodies have signs of torture, but no video shows torture. Why? The guy says there were ten burned bodies of children with their hands tied. but no photos were taken. I'm sorry if it offends anyone that I don't blindly believe what some guy says. Maybe the tortures happened, but evidence is needed.

By the way, before some retarded threatens to hit me, I just want to know if there really was torture or not, I'm very sorry for not believing what a guy on the street says, evidence is needed, as there are thousands of hours of recording It will be very easy to get them, but what has been shown to journalists is without torture or murder of children. I respect a lot of some of you want to believe something and don't want to listen anything that contradicts the version that you want to be happy, it is your life and if that is useful for you, great. There are many people like you, but I prefer to try to find out the truth as precisely as possible and then form an opinion. 

You could believe that if you prefer

Edited November 4, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Lila9]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That guy says that 80% of the bodies have signs of torture, but no video shows torture. Why? The guy says there were ten burned bodies of children with their hands tied. but no photos were taken. I'm sorry if it offends anyone that I don't blindly believe what some guy says. Maybe the tortures happened, but evidence is needed.

By the way, before some retarded threatens to hit me, I just want to know if there really was torture or not, I'm very sorry for not believing what a guy on the street says, evidence is needed, as there are thousands of hours of recording It will be very easy to get them, but what has been shown to journalists is without torture or murder of children. I respect a lot of some of you want to believe something and don't want to listen anything that contradicts the version that you want to be happy, it is your life and if that is useful for you, great. There are many people like you, but I prefer to try to find out the truth as precisely as possible and then form an opinion. 

You could believe that if you prefer

This guy is not just a random guy from the street but he is volunteering in ZAKA which is an organization in Israel which evacuating these bodies and he shares his experience, what he have seen.

There are many photos on the internet, of burned people and babies, video tours of dead bodies laying, I don't think it's allowed to share such things here but if you want to find it, use Google and you will get there.

If you don't want to believe to it, then no matter what evidence you will be presented with, you will not believe to it so it's useless to even try and convince you that this has happened.

People deny Holocaust until these days, you know, and there is lot of evidence for it in writing, pictures and videos. People also deny the level of cruelty 6 millions Jews were murdered by, or deny that the number was actually 6 millions. There are many Jewish holocaust survivors who talk openly about horrible things that happened to them during the Holocaust, and yet, some people would still deny this and will not believe them. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Lila9 said:

If you don't want to believe to it, then no matter what evidence you will be presented

17 hours ago, hundreth said:

 

No, you are wrong, if I see an evidence, I would believe it, But I have read the report of the journalists who saw the images and they say nothing about torture or murder of children.

One question: do you think that absolutely everything the Israelis say in this war is true? Or do you consider the possibility that someone, on some occasion, will lie?

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

People deny Holocaust until these days, you know, and there is lot of evidence for it in writing, pictures and videos. People also deny the level of cruelty 6 millions Jews were murdered by, or deny that the number was actually 6 millions. There are many Jewish holocaust survivors who talk openly about horrible things that happened to them during the Holocaust, and yet, some people would still deny this and will not believe them. 

Well ok, I see. I understand your emotional attitude, and that you encourage your team no matter what happens, since you have chosen sides, but I think it is better to try to really understand what is happening. This conversation is sterile and makes no sense.

[Nivsch]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, you are wrong, if I see an evidence, I would believe it, But I have read the report of the journalists who saw the images and they say nothing about torture or murder of children.

One question: do you think that absolutely everything the Israelis say in this war is true? Or do you consider the possibility that someone, on some occasion, will lie?

We can argue technically about torture, but the massacre of children in 7.10 is a fact.

[Lila9]

40 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, you are wrong, if I see an evidence, I would believe it, But I have read the report of the journalists who saw the images and they say nothing about torture or murder of children.

One question: do you think that absolutely everything the Israelis say in this war is true? Or do you consider the possibility that someone, on some occasion, will lie?

It's hard for me to believe that they would lie about such things.

On the other hand, it seems for me that you consider everything they say as questionable, while when there is report about 2000 children killed in Gaza you automatically believe.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Lila9

[PurpleTree]

 

[Lila9]

38 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well ok, I see. I understand your emotional attitude, and that you encourage your team no matter what happens, since you have chosen sides, but I think it is better to try to really understand what is happening. This conversation is sterile and makes no sense.

Most people choose sides and most of the people who say they don't chose side, are either don't know much about the conflict, lie to appear more open, or not aware to that they have already chose side.

I can see and understand both perspectives and empathize with people on the human level, yet, I choose to support one above the other, because it more represents my values and world view, especially when their value system has more integrity than of the other side.

 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Lila9

[Lila9]

4 minutes ago, Nabd said:

All sides lie during war and that's what we call propaganda.

Gazans have been very active in verifying that the bombs and rockets are falling on civilians and they share these videos openly and they documented the people who died where you can find the names and ID numbers online so its only fair people ask the same from the Israeli side.

What about "Pallywood"? People in Gaza actively faking death and injury?

And what about the Al Madani hospital that was bombed by the Islamic Jihad but Hamas automatically blamed Israel?

It makes me wonder about how many deaths in Gaza were blamed on Israel while it wasn't Israel's falut?

I understand that people share propaganda from both sides but there are different types of propaganda, some of them are more rooted in reality than others while some of them are completely twisted from reality.

And given the level of development of each side, for me, the propaganda of Hamas seems much less reliable than the one of the IDF.

 

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It's hard for me to believe that they would lie about such things

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Sorry, but you are absolutely innocent. think with your brain. Why tie children's hands and then torture them when you are in enemy territory and at any moment the army is going to come and kill you? Don't you see that it's a lie? He is inventing everything. You don't tie children's hands when you're a guy with an assault rifle, it's not necessary. 

All are lies to start the great nakba, you will see. We are going to see very important things. 

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

2000 children killed in Gaza you are automatically believe

Did I say that? 

28 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

We can argue technically about torture, but the massacre of children in 7.10 is a fact.

What massacre of children? The burned baby? I just saw 2 pictures of children and there are thousands in the kibbutzs. 

When I emphasize the issue of torture and children, I do not do it because I am a maniac, I do it because I see that it is the first step in the strategy of lies to dehumanize the enemy before the genocide.