New War In Israel / Gaza

[Breakingthewall]

25 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Look at the photos.

yes, photos of a burned baby. I don't know if you don't understand. I repeat: a baby burned in a house fire is not the same as intentionally torturing a baby. Now in Gaza there are thousands of burned babies, that's what happens when bombs are dropped. But if I go, I grab a baby, I pour gasoline on it, I burn it, it's different, the same as that story about how a girl's hands were cut off.

Do you understand that it is in Israel's interest to make people believe that these things are real? And that being so, do you understand the stupidity of showing the American representative some photos of a burned baby? it does not make any sense. It may have been burned in a fire. Governments lie, did you know this? So, you should not believe everything they say in order to give more strength to what you would like to believe, you should investigate and try to see the truth.

I think there weren't tortures , but if in any moment I see evidence that they happened, I will change my opinion

22 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I dont want to think what our 240 hostages are going through right now, who are in another dimension of internal terror every single moment, 100 times more than the gazaian (what justifies even more the invasion to begin with) but the hypocrite world doesn't care so much about that apparently.

What does that have to do with trying to know if there was torture or not?

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[zurew]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, I'm just trying to find out if the Israeli government is lying when they talk about torture, and if they are, understand why they lie

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[Guest Tobia]

@Nivsch the world thinks that your government should release the 4 thousand political prisoners you are holding in jail, often without any trial or charge, in exchange for those hostages.

 

 

 

[hundreth]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

yes, photos of a burned baby. I don't know if you don't understand. I repeat: a baby burned in a house fire is not the same as intentionally torturing a baby. Now in Gaza there are thousands of burned babies, that's what happens when bombs are dropped. But if I go, I grab a baby, I pour gasoline on it, I burn it, it's different, the same as that story about how a girl's hands were cut off.

Do you understand that it is in Israel's interest to make people believe that these things are real? And that being so, do you understand the stupidity of showing the American representative some photos of a burned baby? it does not make any sense. It may have been burned in a fire. Governments lie, did you know this? So, you should not believe everything they say in order to give more strength to what you would like to believe, you should investigate and try to see the truth. 

What does that have to do with trying to know if there was torture or not?

So you just refuse to see what is obvious. Honestly reprehensible. I'm no longer going to engage with you man, seriously bad faith. 

[hundreth]

8 minutes ago, zurew said:

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Breakingthewall will see these images and then tell you it wasn't a Hamas operative who brutally murdered them, those civilians accidentally tripped on some AK47s.

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[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, zurew said:

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I see,  murders, I know that they shot to many. But I'm trying to know if there were torture. 

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[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Breakingthewall will see these images and then tell you it wasn't a Hamas operative who brutally murdered them, those civilians accidentally tripped on some AK47s.

Man, I Know Hamas killed many, there are terrorist and they deserve to die, but Israeli government said that hamas tortured the civilians and killed babies intentionally, maybe they did, but I don't see evidence

[hundreth]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Man, I Know Hamas killed many, there are terrorist and they deserve to die, but Israeli government said that hamas tortured the civilians and killed babies intentionally, maybe they did, but I don't see evidence

You don't see that Hamas killed babies intentionally there? The multiple photos of babies burned alive in their cribs in an otherwise in tact room. The bloodied cribs with the baby still there and an otherwise in tact room? How about the "Burned body of a woman with bound hands"? That's not brutal or torturous enough? 

I'm seriously asking. Are you delusional?

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[zurew]

3 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

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sorry, didn't know.

[Sincerity]

1 minute ago, zurew said:

sorry, didn't know.

No probs.

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Burned body of a woman with bound hands"?

Many Israeli civilians died while being taken hostage in the fight with the Israel army, could be the case, maybe was intentional but it's not sure, and it's only one case

10 minutes ago, hundreth said:

You don't see that Hamas killed babies intentionally there?

I see the body of one baby. I know they have killed many people. The photos shown are so that we can see their evil, and their evil is great, but there was no massacre of children because we would have seen the massacre of children, in each kibbutz there are many, and showing a crib with blood is not enough, and there was no torture because would have shown. There was murder, something terrible, but there was no torture or intentional murder of children and it has been said that there was this and my opinion is that there was not that

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[hundreth]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Many Israeli civilians died while being taken hostage 

I see the body of a baby. I know they have killed many. The photos shown are so that we can see their evil, and their evil is great, but there was no massacre of children because we would have seen the massacre of children, in each kibbutz there are many, and showing a crib with blood is not enough, and there was no torture because would have shown. There was murder, something terrible, but there was no torture or intentional murder of children and it has been said that there was this and my opinion is that there was not that

After the entire convo we had, and what you were shown... for you to still say that. If you were here in person I would sock you in the face. Unapologetically. 

Sorry mods.

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, hundreth said:

After the entire convo we had, and what you were shown... for you to still say that. If you were here in person I would sock you in the face. Unapologetically. 

Sorry mods.

Man. I want to know if they torture and kill babies intentionally, and I don't see evidence of that because there aren't. If you are very emotional, good for you, but I want to see the truth, not feed emotions 

Again, all the terrorists had camera, if there were torture, there are documented. If they didn't show to the journalists, there weren't tortures, regardless your emotions 

I think the terrorists of Hamas deserve to die for doing that, but don't forget that a lot of babies are dying in Gaza, for example, one hour ago a hospital has been bombed

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[ArcticGong]

Can anyone explain if the information from prominent Jewish scholars like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstien is credible? They tend to be critical about Isreal which is interesting because of them being Jewish themselves. 

[hundreth]

19 minutes ago, ArcticGong said:

Can anyone explain if the information from prominent Jewish scholars like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstien is credible? They tend to be critical about Isreal which is interesting because of them being Jewish themselves. 

In my opinion they are more credible than their pro Israeli counterpart Alan Dershowitz. I don't know too much about Noam Chomsky's views but I followed Norman Finkelstein pretty closely, and while there is some truth to what he speaks, he goes way overboard and it's obvious he has some Jewish resentment and trauma. Meeting with Hezbollah leaders and proclaiming "We are all Hezbollah" - he's thrown the baby out with the bath water. 

He did an interesting interview where he spoke about his parents and the trauma surrounding them being holocaust survivors.

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But isn’t that maybe one positive outcome of the “Holocaust industry” you decry, is that it has created a climate where people can talk more openly?

I don’t think it’s sensitized people to anything. I would much prefer the way it was before the Holocaust industry sprung up. You simply can’t imagine what it was like growing up the child of Holocaust survivors. The question that used to make my mother most indignant was “How did you survive?” Most of the time it was a very innocent question, but she felt the insinuation: If you survived, you must have been a Kapo, or else how did you survive? Either you did something dirty, or you went like sheep to the slaughter.

It was a source of embarrassment to be the child of Holocaust survivors. First of all, my parents were called the greenhorns, because their English was very heavily accented. And if you were the child of a Holocaust survivor, [the presumption was] your parents went like sheep to the ovens.

 

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When it came to The Holocaust Industry, I had a personal stake, no question about it. I don’t make any pretense to objectivity there. I was the most educated in my family, not the smartest, but the most educated in the United States, so I was the representative fighting the battles. I knew all the main actors personally. That’s why it was so easy for me to take them apart in the book.

Here's the Q&A if you're curious:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/qa-norman-finkelstein

[Breakingthewall]

58 minutes ago, hundreth said:

You don't see that Hamas killed babies intentionally there? The multiple photos of babies burned alive in their cribs in an otherwise in tact room. The bloodied cribs with the baby still there and an otherwise in tact room? How about the "Burned body of a woman with bound hands"? That's not brutal or torturous enough? 

I'm seriously asking. Are you delusional?

I see those 2 babies burned, but I think that they could be put there when they were burned in a house bombed and then do the picture. I need more evidence, because I Know there are a lot of lies if this matters. You should be skeptical too. If there was torture and murder of children, they should show video, because there are thousands of hours of video. The woman with bounded hands could die in figth with Israel, if they tie a woman is to capture as hostage. Maybe was torture, but maybe not. I don't say it's sure that wasn't torture, just that for now its not enough evidence

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[ArcticGong]

12 minutes ago, hundreth said:

In my opinion they are more credible than their pro Israeli counterpart Alan Dershowitz. I don't know too much about Noam Chomsky's views but I followed Norman Finkelstein pretty closely, and while there is some truth to what he speaks, he goes way overboard and it's obvious he has some Jewish resentment and trauma. Meeting with Hezbollah leaders and proclaiming "We are all Hezbollah" - he's thrown the baby out with the bath water. 

He did an interesting interview where he spoke about his parents and the trauma surrounding them being holocaust survivors.

 

Here's the Q&A if you're curious:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/qa-norman-finkelstein

Thanks!

[Raze]

 

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1720454684031283647?s=20

 

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[hoodrow trillson]

For the first time, I don't know what the truth is when it comes to this war.  It's been so saturated with misinformation and garbage that I don't know if the US is backing Israel because that's the right thing to do (terrorism) or because of mAiNsTrEaM mEdiA is purposely manipulating the media to show Gaza in a bad light.  Then there's the history of bombings and killings of Palestinians before this war by Israel.

I've been out of the loop about this situation since it started as I had to do things in life recently, so imagine my surprise when idk what the hell is going on lmao