New War In Israel / Gaza

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

There's literally a video out there of Hamas surgically opening a pregnant women and pulling the baby out while the live mother is screaming in horror

If that is true, why has it not been talked about or shown as an example of Hamas's brutality? 

I guess you understand that it is easy to tie a guy charred by a bomb to the bed or upload a video of another massacre, but the reality is that the IDF has the cameras of the Hamas terrorists in their possession, and they have shown a selection of 45 minute images to journalists, and there is no torture 

https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2023/10/26/israeli-accounts-share-deceptive-video-accusing-hamas-of-killing-a-pregnant-woman

Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[hundreth]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If that is true, why has it not been talked about or shown as an example of Hamas's brutality? 

I guess you understand that it is easy to tie a guy charred by a bomb to the bed or upload a video of another massacre, but the reality is that the IDF has the cameras of the Hamas terrorists in their possession, and they have shown a selection of 45 minute images to journalists, and there is no torture 

https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2023/10/26/israeli-accounts-share-deceptive-video-accusing-hamas-of-killing-a-pregnant-woman

So this is the hill you want to die on? You're disputing Hamas' brutality? That's what you consider propaganda?

[hundreth]

4 minutes ago, Nabd said:

Nasrallah appeared from his underground bunker addressing thousands of people who slept in the streets the past night waiting for him to speak.

He said the same bullshit he was expected to say when shit hit the fan. He said the attack was is purely Palestinian and that they already entered the war from the 2nd day.

So Nasrallah who threatened Israel every time he appeared with thousands of rockets and hitting nuclear sites can't do more than what he already did which is attack few empty villages here and there and injuring a soldier and exploding a radar and occasionally shelling a Syrian site instead of an Israeli one. That's it.

These guys are only good for killing their civilians and raping their women and producing Ceptagon. A dog never bites its tail and Nasrallah will never attack Israel. He will just keep this bs and rot and die someday when someone assassinate him thus ending his life without a single war where he actually attack Israel.

He appeared to say "you guys are on your own in Gaza" which is hopefully a good thing so people will understand Iran is not gonna fight Israel.

 

I've seen you post this sentiment quite a bit, that you're disappointed other Arab governments and terrorist organizations don't attack Israel.

Seems you really want to see an escalation. Am I reading you correctly? 

[Something Funny]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

There's no weird websites, many Hamas videos were widely circulated the day of the attack. They were all over, the combat footage subreddit made the front page. Breakingwall keeps suggesting reports of brutalities and torture by Hamas Israeli propaganda. If he's so interested in seeing the footage, it really isn't difficult.

How come nobody here saw them, then? Even on reddit, I've only seen the one with the girl in the truck (although you can call reddit a weird website, imo).

I am not disputing Hamas's brutality, just saying that Israel and Western media could do a better job at showing it.

 

[hundreth]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

How come nobody here saw them, then? Even on reddit, I've only seen the one with the girl in the truck (although you can call reddit a weird website, imo).

I am not disputing Hamas's brutality, just saying that Israel and Western media could do a better job at showing it.

 

Consider yourself fortunate not to have seen them. 

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, hundreth said:

Consider yourself fortunate not to have seen them. 

that's beside the point though, no?

I've actually went to the combat footage subreddit, typed hamas in the search bar, turned off the safe search, went to the very bottom of the posts, and then used browser search tool with words: torture, woman, women, prisoner, hostage.

And I couldn't find a single torture video. I am not sure if they are getting deleted, but they are clearly harder to find than you make them out to be. So "living under the rock" description is not very fitting in my opinion.

[hundreth]

Just now, Something Funny said:

that's beside the point though, no?

I've actually went to the combat footage subreddit, typed hamas in the search bar, turned off the safe search, went to the very bottom of the posts, and then used browser search tool with words: torture, woman, women, prisoner, hostage.

And I couldn't find a single torture video. I am not sure if they are getting deleted, but they are clearly harder to find than you make them out to be. So "living under the rock" description is not very fitting in my opinion.

Yes, they were deleted in the following days because Reddit has some sense. They mostly circulated through Telegram and WhatsApp groups. Every Israeli has seen them, which explains some of the anger.

Maybe it's because I'm in this circle, but the first couple of days they seemed to be everywhere. That's where the "under a rock" came from. But these videos have been documented by mainstream media. Breakingwalls is complaining that mainstream media isn't showing them? Not sure what he wants exactly.

I still believe they aren't hard to find if you care to look. I still have them in my Whatsapp history.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

So this is the hill you want to die on? You're disputing Hamas' brutality? That's what you consider propaganda?

No, I'm just trying to find out if the Israeli government is lying when they talk about torture, and if they are, understand why they lie.

[hundreth]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, I'm just trying to find out if the Israeli government is lying when they talk about torture, and if they are, understand why they lie.

Hamas documented their own doings. Which is why the world at large was sympathetic to Israel in the early days of this conflict. I'm sure there are instances of the Israeli government lying, this isn't one of them. If you're going to pick on a claim they've made, choosing this one actually attempts to minimize Hamas' atrocities and you won't find many who share your sentiment even among anti Israelis. 

[Karmadhi]

30 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Which is why the world at large was sympathetic to Israel in the early days of this conflic

Leo  has said that Jews tend to have a lot of power in the US lobbying and therefore US (and europe because of US) tend to support Israel a lot.

What do you think about it?

Also there is some sort of racism towards Arabs from the west unfortunately.

I feel like if it was not Israel but another arab country attacked the same way Hamas did, they would not react the same way. 

 

[hundreth]

3 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Leo  has said that Jews tend to have a lot of power in the US lobbying and therefore US (and europe because of US) tend to support Israel a lot.

What do you think about it?

Also there is some sort of racism towards Arabs from the west unfortunately.

I feel like if it was not Israel but another arab country attacked the same way Hamas did, they would not react the same way. 

 

Yes, this is true to some extent. But also realize the way this is portrayed is that Israel "controls" the United States for nefarious reasons, etc. when the reality is more nuanced. The United States and many other western nations greatly benefit from Israel as a trade partner, technology partner, safety / intelligence partner, military outposts, etc. They are friends. Israel contributes a lot.

Of course you will react differently when a close friend is attacked vs. a stranger. Not sure what you find strange about this. 

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Hamas documented their own doings. Which is why the world at large was sympathetic to Israel in the early days of this conflict. I'm sure there are instances of the Israeli government lying, this isn't one of them. If you're going to pick on a claim they've made, choosing this one actually attempts to minimize Hamas' atrocities and you won't find many who share your sentiment even among anti Israelis. 

It seems like you don't understand it. I'll explain it to you again: the government of Israel said that Hamas intentionally and horribly killed and tortured children and babies, that it approached three-year-old children and tortured them. Then they said that they were human animals for it, and that revenge was necessary, then he started bombing civilians in Gaza.

Don't you understand that they said that about torturing children to justify killing thousands of Palestinian children? but then the images from the terrorists' cameras were shown, and well...there is neither torture nor murder of children. For you this is very good, you don't want to think about it, whatever, but for me it is an important part of this matter

[Something Funny]

@Breakingthewall but according to @hundreth there are actual videos of that.

It kind of makes sense that super gory videos aren't just available to everyone on youtube. Maybe if you did some mkre research you could find them?

@hundreth if you could point out how people can find proof of what the below refers to, that would be helpful in my opinion.

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Don't you understand that they said that about torturing children to justify killing thousands of Palestinian children? but then the images from the terrorists' cameras were shown, and well...there is neither torture nor murder of children.

 

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Breakingthewall but according to @hundreth there are actual videos of that.

It kind of makes sense that super gory videos aren't just available to everyone on youtube. Maybe if you did some mkre research you could find them?

@hundreth if you could point out how people can find proof of what the below refers to, that would be helpful in my opinion.

 

Since I know, there is no video from the cameras of Hamas terrorists shown by the Israeli government with torture and murder of children. There are videos on YouTube, but they have to be from that day, not just any video that someone has uploaded and says it was from 7/10

[hundreth]

45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It seems like you don't understand it. I'll explain it to you again: the government of Israel said that Hamas intentionally and horribly killed and tortured children and babies, that it approached three-year-old children and tortured them. Then they said that they were human animals for it, and that revenge was necessary, then he started bombing civilians in Gaza.

Don't you understand that they said that about torturing children to justify killing thousands of Palestinian children? but then the images from the terrorists' cameras were shown, and well...there is neither torture nor murder of children. For you this is very good, you don't want to think about it, whatever, but for me it is an important part of this matter

Yes, Hamas murdered and burned babies alive. This was documented.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/babies-murdered-burned-by-hamas-monsters-israel-shares-photos-amid-war-11697128208963.html

This article has a few of those photos. I'm not sure what you're on about honestly. Are you seriously skeptical of this? Seems like a ridiculous position to me and I'm not even sure why we're debating it. Go find the disturbing footage on your own, I'm not going to do the dirty work for you.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Yes, Hamas murdered and burned babies alive. This was documented.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/babies-murdered-burned-by-hamas-monsters-israel-shares-photos-amid-war-11697128208963.html

This article has a few of those photos. I'm not sure what you're on about honestly. Are you seriously skeptical of this? Seems like a ridiculous position to me and I'm not even sure why we're debating it. Go find the disturbing footage on your own, I'm not going to do the dirty work for you.

I think it's easy  to understand: the Israeli government gathered a group of journalists, showed 45 minutes of recordings from the terrorists' personal cameras. they obviously included the worst scenes. Later these journalists narrated what they saw: shooting murders of adults. no torture, no children murdered. So the conclusion is that even if some guy from the IDF says that he saw torture, if hundreds, or thousands of terrorists have been killed and they all had cameras, if scenes of torture or murder of children have not been recovered, it means that this has not happened, or at least that there is not evidence of them

Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[hundreth]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I repeat it once again, it seems somewhat difficult to understand: the Israeli government gathered a group of journalists, read 45 minutes of recordings from the terrorists' personal cameras. they obviously included the worst scenes. Later these journalists narrated what they saw: shooting murders of adults. no torture, no children murdered. So the conclusion is that even if some guy from the IDF says that he saw torture, if hundreds, or thousands of terrorists have been killed and they all had cameras, if scenes of torture or murder of children have not been recovered, it means that this has not happened, or at least that there is not evidence of them

What are you talking about? I literally showed you released photos of babies being murdered and burned released by Israel. Isn't that what you asked for?

Even those journalists you're referring to, of course they aren't going to release that footage to the general public. Is that your criticism? Seems you don't understand.

[Breakingthewall]

31 minutes ago, hundreth said:

What are you talking about? I literally showed you released photos of babies being murdered and burned released by Israel. Isn't that what you asked for?

Even those journalists you're referring to, of course they aren't going to release that footage to the general public. Is that your criticism? Seems you don't understand.

the babies could be burned by a bomb. It's not the same to throwing a bomb in a house than approaching a baby, pouring gasoline on it and burning it alive, which is what the Israeli government says human animals did. The journalists can't show anything, cameras wasn't allowed, but they can say exactly what they saw in the video that was shown to them.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[hundreth]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

the babies could be burned by a bomb. It's not the same to throwing a bomb in a house than approaching a baby, pouring gasoline on it and burning it alive, which is what the Israeli government says human animals did. The journalists can't show anything, cameras wasn't allowed, but they can say exactly what they saw in the video that was shown to them.

Are you living in an alternate reality? Look at the photos. You've literally been handed what you asked for you, and you're like an ostrich with your head in the ground. There's plenty more out there, that's just the tip of the surface.

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

Are you living in an alternate reality? Look at the photos. You've literally been handed what you asked for you, and you're like an ostrich with your head in the ground. There's plenty more out there, that's just the tip of the surface.

I dont want to think what our 240 hostages are going through right now, who are in another dimension of internal terror every single moment, 100 times more than the gazaian (what justifies even more the invasion to begin with) but the hypocrite world doesn't care so much about that apparently.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch