Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. If they are terrorists like you say then they are a rouge faction not some democracy I didn't say that Hamas represents Palestinian people. But Palestinian people as a collective have such mindset that allows them to create and accept this kind of leadership. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lila9 said: I've found why, they scared of Palestinian extremities. Seems they have already tried to accept Palestinian refugees in the past, but it led to terrible outcome and put themselves in danger. You are saying that Palestinian people are fundamentally bad. Thats like anti-semitism Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lila9 said: I didn't say that Hamas represents Palestinian people. But Palestinian people as a collective have such mindset that allows them to create and accept this kind of leadership. Bro half of them are children Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: What happened to the Jews was horrible. Nobody denies that. But the Jewish people need to heal their collective trauma from what happened. For example were you personally ever in the holocaust? They have a collective trauma to heal as well. But they have already started their healing process by building a beautiful, democratic and progressive country with their own hands, which is a good start. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: They have a collective trauma to heal as well. But they have already started their healing process by building a beautiful, democratic and progressive country with their own hands, which is a good start. No it's because USA allows them to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said: You are saying that Palestinian people are fundamentally bad. Thats like anti-semitism No, I'm saying that other Arab countries don't want them because they make troubles in other Arab countries as well. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Israeli journalist Yonit Levi. 100% "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Bro half of them are children I wish those children will get an appropriate leadership for their future in Egypt/europe/both. In gaza it will be almost impossible at least how it seems right now. Israel is doing them good long term, although short term the situation for them is hard as they are now humen shield hamas forces them to be. Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Bro half of them are children Children are the most vulnarble population for such Islamic, anti Israel, radical ideas. "Never be afraid to sit a while and think.” ― Lorraine Hansberry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lila9 said: No, I'm saying that other Arab countries don't want them because they make troubles in other Arab countries as well. So that is supposed to prove that they are the cause of drama in Israel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: Children are the most vulnarble population for such Islamic, anti Israel, radical ideas. Same could be said about children in Israel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Children are the most vulnarble population for such Islamic, anti Israel, radical ideas. Just the very fact those children are under hamas regime is enough to make them poor and misserable with no future, but of course the world doesn't speak about that. Pure hypocrisy. Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Lila9 said: They have a collective trauma to heal as well. But they have already started their healing process by building a beautiful, democratic and progressive country with their own hands, which is a good start. Part of that healing is stealing land from the West Bank and expelling people who have lived there for generations from their homes. a state of law does not do that, only a criminal state. Edited November 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: Same could be said about children in Israel Children in Israel are educated to respect the different, to help others, to follow their dreams, to be independent. Children in gaza are educated to hate jews and to kill them. They are poor from age 0. "But Israel!" 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: Children in Israel are educated to respect the different, to help others, to follow their dreams, to be independent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Children in Israel are educated to respect the different, to help others, to follow their dreams, to be independent. Children in gaza are educated to hate jews and to kill them. They are poor from age 0. "But Israel!" Israel=Good Palestine=Bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: Part of that healing is stealing land from the West Bank and expelling people who have lived there for generations from their homes. a state of law does not do that, only a criminal state. Every country in the world does or did some amount of that. This is the nature of any country's existance. Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: Israelis aren't perfect. Can't you see the distinction between a place where such an organization, like the one responsible for this video, can actually exist and a place where it can't? It is a fundamental difference. There are intolerant people everywhere. The difference lies in the overall state of affairs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Every country in the world does or did some amount of that. This is the nature of any country's existance. Umm, no. No modern country, that is considered to be civilized does that. Can you give at least one example? From beasts we scorn as soulless, in forest, field, and den, the cry goes up to witness the soullessness of men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: Every country in the world does or did some amount of that. This is the nature of any country's existance. This is different because Israel claims that it is doing nothing wrong and that the Palestinians are actually the problem. Literally right after Hitler did the exact same thing to Jews. Thats why this situation intrigues so many people because they have never seen anything like this Edited November 3, 2023 by Twentyfirst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
