New War In Israel / Gaza

[Jacob Morres]

Dropping metta meditation here in case anyone's interested. Can be useful at times in heated discussions Loll 

https://www.mettainstitute.org/mettameditation.html

Edited November 2, 2023 by Jacob Morres

[Sucuk Ekmek]

6 minutes ago, Nabd said:

 

Check this video of Qassam soldier going up from a tunnel and planting a bomb on a moving tank inside Gaza.

 Olive trees looks so young.

[DawnC]

35 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Wasn't Israel created by displacing Arabs in the past ?

Isn't Israel still doing that in the present ? 

Is that righteous ? 

Do you think that is a mature perspective? This is actually akin to an Israel supporter saying:

'Didn't the Arab Palestinians conduct riots and terror attacks on jews before Israel was established?

Didn't they do the same thing today?

Is that righteous?'

And actually believing this sums it up. These are simplistic and shallow moral statements that are based on a simplistic and shallow understanding of history and the current situation.

[Nivsch]

@PurpleTree The isolated settlements and part of the settlers DO cause a lot of problem. With that I agree.

IDF have to be there anyway to arrest (almost every night) hamas terrorists, what prevents them from being the monster we have seen in gaza.

Edited November 2, 2023 by Nivsch

[Loveeee]

20 minutes ago, DawnC said:

Do you think that is a mature perspective? This is actually akin to an Israel supporter saying:

'Didn't the Arab Palestinians conduct riots and terror attacks on jews before Israel was established?

Didn't they do the same thing today?

Is that righteous?'

And actually believing this sums it up. These are simplistic and shallow moral statements that are based on a simplistic and shallow understanding of history and the current situation.

Exactly ! So let's stop proclaiming the "right" of this and that 

[DawnC]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Exactly ! So let's stop proclaiming the "right" of this and that 

Agreed 

But I think we do need to seriously consider the claim that a significant portion of Palestinian society (and others) finds it difficult to come to terms with the mere existence of a Jewish entity. I believe this is what people are addressing when they express frustration about others not acknowledging their right to exist. Ignoring this issue without consideration is not wise. It actually has a major impact on current events and can shed light on understanding historical events regarding the choices made by the Palestinians.

[Loveeee]

@DawnC  The cycle of hatred

 

[hundreth]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

where have you seen that? The Israeli government said it was going to spread the brutalities committed by Hamas and it has spread absolutely nothing, it only says things but does not show them, it loses credibility every minute 

 

I don't understand why you continue to make this point as if it matters. Have you not seen the videos Hamas themselves published? What can the Israeli government possibly show you that Hamas hasn't shown you themselves?

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

@Nivsch @Lila9

thoughts on the video?

 

 

The fact of expansion in the West Bank completely delegitimizes Israel. It turns it into a terrorist state, where there is no justice. The army's collaboration with the settlers in the abuse of the Palestinians justifies terrorism as a defense in the eyes of many. It is a fact important enough to define Israel. Israel is not a country that is governed by justice but is a criminal country. And after this war, the world is going to see Israel as a criminal

Edited November 2, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, hundreth said:

I don't understand why you continue to make this point as if it matters. Have you not seen the videos Hamas themselves published? What can the Israeli government possibly show you that Hamas hasn't shown you themselves?

 

I have seen videos of shootings and of a girl with the broken legs in a van, but the Israeli government insists on generalized torture, burning children alive and things like that, 3 days ago they said they were going to show images the next day, and then they didn't. Much of the anger towards Hamas is because of this, and it justifies the bombings for many. Would be interesting to know if it's true

Edited November 2, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

I see it as quite obvious. Israel has not attempted to remove mothers with children from Gaza. It's easy, it's small, you can try, there is time to defeat Hamas, they can't escape. but they hasn't done it, they prefer to bomb mothers with babies. They are criminals who act out of revenge and hatred. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

What if the messiah they‘re waiting for

or second coming of christ 

or the mahdi etc.

is going to be self conscious artificial intelligence leading us the way to a better future?

🌞🦆

 

[Merkabah Star]

8 hours ago, Lila9 said:

@Gennadiy1981 @Nivsch

Your experience is valid and important. Yes, it feels like you are talking to a wall right now, I also feel this as well but I'm sure your comments as Israelies help to people who're reading it and don't know much about the conflict to have a better perspective.

If at least one person here became wiser and more educated about this conflict, thanks to you, maybe it's not that useless after all.

If you choose to not participate, I understand. This can be emotionally draining to argue with people who question Israel's right to exist because of some irrational, primitive and antisemitic beliefs which are very difficult to remove.

 

No one has questioned Israel’s right to exist. Your post is so condescending I nearly vomited.  The self entitlement voiced by some of the Israelis posters the last few days, on these types of threads, has been jaw dropping. 

[Lila9]

7 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Wasn't Israel created by displacing Arabs in the past ?

Isn't Israel still doing that in the present ? 

Is that righteous ? 

Jews were displaced from many countries. Could they just go to there and attack innocent people in the countries they were displaced from because of that?

If not, then why Arabs can and it will be ok? Especially while there are so many Arab countries who could let them in, why don't they let them in if they so care about them?

There are so many Muslim Arab countries, nobody's question their existence, no one question Palestine's right for existence, even though there are so many of them, yet, Israel, the only Jewish country, is always in doubt?

If it was the opposite, with one Muslim Arab country with Jewish refugees, in the middle of many Jews countries, everyone would pressure the Jewish countries to let the Jews refugees in instead of abusing the one Muslim country, from all sides, and question its existence.

Why only Israel always in question? Countries in the world were built upon tremendous abuse and suffer, more than Palestinians could ever experience and yet, nobody's question them.

Why these always the Jews who are get questioned?

My conclusion is that there are antisemitic beliefs that are deeply integrated in the collective psyche.

And the solution wouldn't be to eliminate Jews and to fight them and not allow them to exit but to accept them, to realize their right to have their own country. Yes, their country.

This is only one, which is Israel. From Jesus days and prior to that.

And turn the jelousy of them into motivation, to be better.

If you look at their history, you realize that on the collective level, Jews are great manifastors who rock and roll the game of survival and this should be as inspiration, not something to hate or detest. Or fight impulsively.

If Palestine and the Arab world would have understood that, there wouldn't have such ugly war between them. 

This conflict literally based on the difficulty of the Muslim Arab world to accept a Jewish country. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lila9]

3 hours ago, Nabd said:

Of course most of them are terrorists at the end of the day just like most of the IDF are. But I don't condemn any Hamas soldier killing only IDF soldiers because anyone who signs up for the army is paid to kill and get killed and it goes both ways.

This comparison between Hamas and IDF is poor.

We talk about totally different levels of development, different strategy and different motivations.

You can say what you want about IDF but I've never seen them desecrate bodies or parading naked dead Muslim women in Tel Aviv while people there cheering them.

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

36 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

This comparison between Hamas and IDF is poor.

We talk about totally different levels of development, different strategy and different motivations.

You can say what you want about IDF but I've never seen them desecrate bodies or parading naked dead Muslim women in Tel Aviv while people there cheering them.

 

 

Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. If they are terrorists like you say then they are a rouge faction not some democracy 

[Twentyfirst]

42 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Jews were displaced from many countries. Could they just go to there and attack innocent people in the countries they were displaced from because of that?

If not, then why Arabs can and it will be ok? Especially while there are so many Arab countries who could let them in, why don't they let them in if they so care about them?

There are so many Muslim Arab countries, nobody's question their existence, no one question Palestine's right for existence, even though there are so many of them, yet, Israel, the only Jewish country, is always in doubt?

If it was the opposite, with one Muslim Arab country with Jewish refugees, in the middle of many Jews countries, everyone would pressure the Jewish countries to let the Jews refugees in instead of abusing the one Muslim country, from all sides, and question its existence.

Why only Israel always in question? Countries in the world were built upon tremendous abuse and suffer, more than Palestinians could ever experience and yet, nobody's question them.

Why these always the Jews who are get questioned?

My conclusion is that there are antisemitic beliefs that are deeply integrated in the collective psyche.

And the solution wouldn't be to eliminate Jews and to fight them and not allow them to exit but to accept them, to realize their right to have their own country. Yes, their country.

This is only one, which is Israel. From Jesus days and prior to that.

And turn the jelousy of them into motivation, to be better.

If you look at their history, you realize that on the collective level, Jews are great manifastors who rock and roll the game of survival and this should be as inspiration, not something to hate or detest. Or fight impulsively.

If Palestine and the Arab world would have understood that, there wouldn't have such ugly war between them. 

This conflict literally based on the difficulty of the Muslim Arab world to accept a Jewish country. 

 

 

 

 

 

What happened to the Jews was horrible. Nobody denies that. But the Jewish people need to heal their collective trauma from what happened. For example were you personally ever in the holocaust? 

I dont know why Arab countries don't let them in but anyways that would be an ethnic cleansing. Besides why is it that the Arabs have to leave? Is that the Jewish plan? To make conditions so bad that Arabs are forced to leave? 

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Jews were displaced from many countries. Could they just go to there and attack innocent people in the countries they were displaced from because of that?

 

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Yes, their country.

This is only one, which is Israel. From Jesus days and prior to that.

 

[Nivsch]

Israeli journalist Yonit Levi.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Nivsch

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

I dont know why Arab countries don't let them in

I've found why, they scared of Palestinian extremities. Seems they have already tried to accept Palestinian refugees in the past, but it led to terrible outcome and put themselves in danger.

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Lila9