New War In Israel / Gaza

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

@hundreth Then enjoy endless wars and bullshit.

I do not even live there, this is for your own people s good.

You realize Israel is close to becoming the most hated country in the world, toppling even Russia after what they been doing in Palestine.

Instead of changing your image after endless persecution, you are just making yourself more hated than ever.

Sad.

Israel doesn't care if it's hated because it will just say "See! I told you the world hates us. Thats why they let the holocaust happen"

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Of course there is also another solution for all of us to leave, but the thing is we have no other home.

2 hours ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

@Breakingthewall 

 

If they gave you a much better place you would reject it, because of that madness of tradition and the Bible. It has to be there, no matter what happens, even if millions have to die, since that's what your tradition says.

Honestly, don't you think that's the way of an obsessive with serious mental problems?

Edited October 31, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[hundreth]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If they gave you a much better place you would reject it, because of that madness of tradition and the Bible. It has to be there, no matter what happens, even if millions have to die, since that's what your tradition says.

Honestly, don't you think that's the way of an obsessive with serious mental problems?

Of course, but not because of the Bible. In 1948 this may have been viable, but now this is our home we fought for over decades which we have historical ties to. It's too late to undo history. Israel is there to stay. There will be those who can never accept it, and so war will continue. That's just how it is.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, hundreth said:

It's too late to undo history. Israel is there to stay. There will be those who can never accept it, and so war will continue. That's just how it is.

Well, that's how it is. The problem is that the level of hatred that you are going to generate with this war against a city full of civilians in which the entire world is seeing the images is going to reach critical levels.

It is the problem of having radicals in power. There are two options, that your rulers have let the terrorists through to start this war, or that their level of incompetence is that of a mentally retarders. Both options are very worrying.

[Gennadiy1981]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, that's how it is. The problem is that the level of hatred that you are going to generate with this war against a city full of civilians in which the entire world is seeing the images is going to reach critical levels.

Thats fine, its a chance we are willing to take.

And this phrase should say it all, "I would rather have strong Israel hated by the entire world, than Auschwitz that would be loved by"

[PurpleTree]

shoulda woulda coulda

[zazen]

13 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Thats fine, its a chance we are willing to take.

And this phrase should say it all, "I would rather have strong Israel hated by the entire world, than Auschwitz that would be loved by"

 Israels  current policy is that of a child frozen in an adults body. People are emoting rather than thinking in any clear way.  If Israel wanted to 'win' this and secure a better peace and prosperity for themselves in the region they could stop the bombing and cutting of water electrics and food, call Hamas to the negotiating table and show the world who they claim Hamas to be which is barbaric and unreasonable ie unable to come to peace in negotiation - even better would be further to include some concessions to the Palestinians in any deals such as the Abraham accords.

It would be by taking the moral high ground and not isolating itself from the world by what their doing now, including regressing of normalising with their neighbours especially Saudi Arabia. In fact, they are only uniting the two factions of Islam that are at odds with each other - Sunnis (Turkey) and Shia (Iran), they've done in one week what those sides didn't manage in 1400 years.

If Israel thinks pushing Gazans into the Sinai dessert will resolve this their mistaken, their only pushing the problem further away by land but in the process stirring up more hate and an arc of revenge that will visit them in the future.

Edited October 31, 2023 by zazen

[Breakingthewall]

Why did the Israeli authorities say they were going to show unedited videos of torture and then they didn't? They don't exist? It seems like a strategy to generate hate.

Edited October 31, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, zazen said:

 Israels  current policy is that of a child frozen in an adults body. People are emoting rather than thinking in any clear way.  If Israel wanted to 'win' this and secure a better peace and prosperity for themselves in the region they could stop the bombing and cutting of water electrics and food, call Hamas to the negotiating table and show the world who they claim Hamas to be which is barbaric and unreasonable ie unable to come to peace in negotiation - even better would be further to include some concessions to the Palestinians in any deals such as the Abraham accords.

It would be by taking the moral high ground and not isolating itself from the world by what their doing now, including regressing of normalising with their neighbours especially Saudi Arabia. In fact, they are only uniting the two factions of Islam that are at odds with each other - Sunnis (Turkey) and Shia (Iran), they've done in one week what those sides didn't manage in 1400 years.

If Israel thinks pushing Gazans into the Sinai dessert will resolve this their mistaken, their only pushing the problem further away by land but in the process stirring up more hate and an arc of revenge that will visit them in the future.

Well obviously the hardliners made a cost to benefit calculation and that’s what they came up with

[Karmadhi]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why did the Israeli authorities say they were going to show unedited videos of torture and then they didn't? They don't exist? It seems like a strategy to generate hate.

They are as trustworthy as the Russian media to be honest at this point...

[zazen]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why did the Israeli authorities say they were going to show unedited videos of torture and then they didn't? They don't exist? It seems like a strategy to generate hate.

Propaganda uses decent human emotion to support indecent inhumane actions. That IDF video 'message to gazans' seemed to be propoganda geared more towards the West, to make their actions in Gaza more palatable. Global sentiment turns against Israel but the one populace they can't allow to turn is that of Americans - especially Jewish Americans as that would upend US support and writing a blank cheque for their interests. Also, the message was to Gazan's but they cut their internet and conducted it in English - make it make sense lol. Similar happened with Iraq, the baby incubator story was fabricated to justify the horror that Iraq went through.

 

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well obviously the hardliners made a cost to benefit calculation and that’s what they came up with

The marrying of religious end day prophecies with military industrial complex and the profit motive is going to wreck the region and have ripple affects globally. The worst part is - Israel will only lean more far right because demographically the ones having the most babies are the more orthodox settler types (4 babies on average compared to 2 for more secular Israelis). What makes up 10-15% of the population will eventually become 30%+ and have a huge sway on politics and policies. 

Edited October 31, 2023 by zazen

[Gennadiy1981]

24 minutes ago, zazen said:

That's a policy of a child frozen in an adults body. People are emoting rather than thinking in any clear way.  

 

By taking the moral high ground and not isolating itself from the world by what their doing now, including regression of normalising with their neighbours especially Saudi Arabia. If they think pushing Gazans into the Sinai dessert will resolve this their mistaken, their only pushing the problem further away by land but in the process stirring up more hate and an arc of revenge that will visit them in the future.

If that is the case then I am ok to remain that child.

You know dear world, you were standing idly during the Holocaust, you didnt protest the injustices that were happening for four years where we went like sheeps to the slaughter house, and you were quiet when Israel faced destruction in 48, 67 and 73. I know you would build us monuments and museums for Holocaust, but no thanks.

Here is a Jew who wants to live and its so much better to live than to die and oh boy its so much better to win than to loose.

First let all nations take moral grounds and then we can speak about us having one.

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

You know dear world, you were standing idly during the Holocaust, you didnt protest the injustices that were happening for four years where we went like sheeps to the slaughter house, and you were quiet when Israel faced destruction in 48, 67 and 73. 

How did you want the world to protest against the Holocaust, which they didn't even have full knowledge of, besides being at war with Germany, lol? 

 

[Gennadiy1981]

Just now, Something Funny said:

How did you want the world to protest against the Holocaust, which they didn't even have full knowledge of, besides being at war with Germany, lol? 

 

Really? The US only went to war in 1944 technically after Pearl Harbor. And other nations, they could have bombed the railroads carrying innocent people to the death camps. Look I get it, you are not found of Jews and thats fine and I respect that, but then don't tell me that I have no right to defend my homeland.

[zazen]

@Gennadiy1981

Who says Israel is winning? The IDF are made of mostly reservists who aren't professionally battle hardened soldiers. They've just made a intact city into rubble which only makes the terrain even harder to manoeuvre, paths will be laid as traps to go through and then encircled and ambushed by Hamas.

 

These 'enemies' aren't that of decades ago, they have advanced as well and have capabilities that will make it very difficulty even for the US=Nato who are worn down by the Ukraine war which they have failed in also.

 

The best case scenario is the IDF go in, start suffering casualties that the domestic population won't be okay with and the US come to end it and claim a 'strategic victory' to appease Israelis that something has been done about the Hamas attack when in reality it hasn't. Then bolster up the border defences and don't allow it to be breached ever again. But even US are hawkish on war so I doubt this is going to end well.

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by zazen

[Something Funny]

@Gennadiy1981 yes, because sjoining a war on another continent that you were not involved with is a huge fucking decision to make. 

3 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

And other nations, they could have bombed the railroads carrying innocent people to the death camps

Railways were very much bombed during the war. But I guess that doesn't matter that much when you want to play a victim card.

Not to mention that saving Jews specifically wasn't exactly on the top of the priority list.

And after the war you were given a whole fucking country (cause Jews didn't take Israel with their own powers, did they?). And that's still not enough for you. You still complain that the world didn't do enough, lol.

[Something Funny]

8 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Look I get it, you are not found of Jews and thats fine and I respect that, but then don't tell me that I have no right to defend my homeland.

I never said any of that. But I guess it is just more convenient to groubdlessly accuse people of not liking you when they start inconveniently debunking your bullshit.

Edited October 31, 2023 by Something Funny

[Something Funny]

@Gennadiy1981 like seriously, this is the entitlement that people are talking about. And I am not talking about Jews in general, I am talking about your entitled ass specifically right now.

There was a freaking world war happening. Every European nation was struggling hard basically. There were huge death tolls, and they didn't consist only of Jews. 

And yet, everyone was supposed to drop everything and go try save your people specifically according to you.

How deluded can you be?

Edited October 31, 2023 by Something Funny

[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This way seems too indirect when we are talking about what is effectively an extermination of a million Gazans

So you are admitting Israel is in the wrong in the way they are reacting and dealing with this.

 

[PurpleTree]

to think that you are gods chosen people is a bit funny-ish

also a bit sad