New War In Israel / Gaza

[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, hundreth said:

What would happen if Hamas had the IDF's firepower capabilities? Do you think any Jews in the region would still exist? 

Dude you need to understand it is not the same.

Israel has been priviledged and living like rich kings while Palestinians are treated like shit and live in poverty.

You cannot expect Hamas to be as restrained as Israel because Israel has not suffered while Palestine (hence Hamas) has.

[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Only the far-right-wing of Ben Gvir and Bezal'el Smotritz.

But even them are not comparatable to hamas.

Ben Gvir has shouted "Death to arabs" so he definetly is comparable.

How can such monsters be in power is beyond me.

I am sure most Israelis are decent people but sadly the monsters and radicals tend to get in power.

Same happened to Nazi Germany for example.

And Israeli do not face harships, they are first world country, rich, no war, no civilians dying. Overall good life there. So they have way way less reasons to be conservative and have such animals in government.

Meanwhile considering how harsh life is in Gaza and the fact that Israeli is mainly responsible for it it makes perfect sense for animals like Hamas to be in power.

I hope you can see that.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QihoBuGRVwU

This is just disturbing...

Can someone explain me how this is possible? 

Are these people evil or something?

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Scholar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsETTn7DehI

Message from Arnold Schwarzenegger

[Scholar]

7 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QihoBuGRVwU

This is just disturbing...

Can someone explain me how this is possible? 

Are these people evil or something?

 

Tiktok is what happened to them, this is what it was designed to do. Create division and idiocrify society.

[Karmadhi]

@Scholar I think it shows how openly racist Israel society is...

At least parts of it.

This would not fly in the west.

[Scholar]

Just now, Karmadhi said:

@Scholar I think it shows how openly racist Israel society is...

At least parts of it.

This would not fly in the west.

You have to be careful with such conclusions, these types of videos exists in palestine too. And they also exist here in the west, against jewish people. You are just not presented this information because depending on your bias you will only be fed things to confirm your own bubble.

[Scholar]

@Karmadhi

Funny, the video I linked with Arnold basically addressed this very issue.

[Karmadhi]

@Scholar Most Israelis are decent people, I said that above.

But you cannot deny some countries are more racist than others.

For example Belgium is less racist than China.

Same logic here.

It is not rocket science.

I think Palestinias are probably more racist than Israelis and more hateful.

However their hate is justified, Israelis is not.

The oppressed has the right to hate the oppressor, not the other way around.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Scholar]

Just now, Karmadhi said:

@Scholar Most Israelis are decent people, I said that above.

But you cannot deny some countries are more racist than others.

For example Belgium is less racist than China.

Same logic here.

It is not rocket science.

How racist a country will be depends on it's development and other factors, like collective fear and so forth. Israel as well as Palestine are both in fear, and so they will both be susceptible to hate.

One of the major flaws of western society today is that it does not seek to understand racism, it simply uses it as a term of judgement and moral condemnation. It uses it so that it can blame someone, not realizing that it is afflicted by the same blindness that the people they point fingers at are as well.

 

Remember, the greater your judgement of others is, the more blind you become to your own selfishness, because you will have to face your own judgement if you were to recognize your own evil.

[Karmadhi]

2 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Israel as well as Palestine are both in fear, and so they will both be susceptible to hate.

Thing is Israel the first time it got attacked was this October and in total it has way less suffering that what Palestine went through if you take decades into account. So it is not equal.

It is like saying Germans suffered during world war 2 but it cannot compare to the suffering Germany inflicted over civilians of other countries.

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

16 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Funny, the video I linked with Arnold basically addressed this very issue

It is a good video but in the one he made about Russia he said how Russians are tricked by their government and the war is basically wrong.

I do not see him do it here, he had a neutral stance.

How come he did not condemn Israel for stealing land, the same way Russians tried to take land in Ukraine?

Is it not objective true that it is stolen land by Palestinians or are there historical facts I am missing?

[Scholar]

Just now, Karmadhi said:

Thing is Israel the first time it got attacked was this October and in total it has way less suffering that what Palestine went through if you take decades into account. So it is not equal.

It is like saying Germans suffered during world war 2 but it cannot compare to the suffering Germany inflicted over civilians of other countries.

I do not see Israeli being carpet bombed for example.

You are moralizing. Your moral outrage closes your mind. Your own fear prevents you from seeing the obvious, because you have closed your heart to the suffering of one side on the basis of abstract moral evaluation.

This blindness is the root cause of the conflict. You are the Israelis, you are Hamas. Your mission is to realize this, so that you can approach this topic from a position of truth.

 

If the western countries had not ignored the germans suffering after World War 1, it might have never come to World War 2. Never again, they say, yet they never seem to learn.

Your mistake is that you allow your moral righteousness and outrage to cloud your vision.

 

1 minute ago, Karmadhi said:

How come he did not condemn Israel for stealing land, the same way Russians tried to take land in Ukraine?

He did not condemn anyone, because he seems wise enough to realize that condemnation will not help. He is one step ahead of you, my friend.

[Merkabah Star]

39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QihoBuGRVwU

This is just disturbing...

Can someone explain me how this is possible? 

Are these people evil or something?

 

Truly disgusting. 

[Basman]

Gaza is practically a fortress. Defenders have always had the advantage in urban-warfare, especially now since Hamas is prepared for an invasion, with tunnels, traps and what not. I can see why the IDF simply tries to level the place. It is quick and easy from a warfare perspective.

I think a potential solution could be to besiege Gaza and cut off its supply. Starve it till they surrender with fair terms. Then you can avoid a lot of unnecessary bloodshed and devastation. Too late now though.

[Karmadhi]

40 minutes ago, Scholar said:

He did not condemn anyone, because he seems wise enough to realize that condemnation will not help. He is one step ahead of you, my friend

He literally said that Russian soldiers are tricked by their leadership into fighting the war.

You can say the same for Israelis about to invade Gaza.

[PurpleTree]

if the extremists on both sides want to go to war, fine

but leave the women and children out of it 💜 thx boys

[hundreth]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Dude you need to understand it is not the same.

Israel has been priviledged and living like rich kings while Palestinians are treated like shit and live in poverty.

You cannot expect Hamas to be as restrained as Israel because Israel has not suffered while Palestine (hence Hamas) has.

Finally the logic is exposed. 

The context of course matters, but it doesn't change the fact that Hamas is a level of deranged way beyond the IDF. And that's what is being dealt with on the ground, the reality of the situation. Murderous psychopaths often have traumatic childhoods, but it doesn't change the fact they are incredibly dangerous now and need to be dealt with accordingly.

[Lila9]

11 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

The historical 20-30x difference in casualties between Israel and Gaza shows otherwise. 

I dont give a shit about Hamas dying, I care about the Palestinian kids which are almost half of all dying. I care about the fact that 95% of those dying are civilains. 

If most dead would be Hamas terrorists I would not care at all about it. 

However if you think killing 50 civilians to kill 1 hamas is acceptable than I will not agree with you.

To me Palestinian kids and Hamas are independent variables. I do not see 1 linked to the other. Kill Hamas but if you kill Palestinian civilian kids while doing it then you are wrong and deserve punishment.

Palestinian civilian kids lives should have priority over Hamas soldiers deaths.

To Israel they dont. Hence the liberal outrage including mine.

Don't you see how minimum Hamas does to protect Palestinians? They not only do nothing, they are actively pushing Palestinians to death by using them as a human shield, isn't this a war crime? 

Israel at least does attempts to evacuate people from the places it would like to bomb because of Hamas' presence in them. But what Hamas tell to their people? Do they tell to their people "leave, we will fight alon in defending you"? No. They tell people "stay" and they kill people who dare to escape. Which is insane. 

Hamas with all its fortune and money could make Gaza like a sweet candy, literally make some decent place and yet, they chose to be curropted bastards when their leadership having luxury life in Qatar with billions in their bank accounts while their people living poor, and not because of Israel as Israel doesn't even occupy Gaza.

Don't you see how they mistreat their own people and push them to die in the name of Allah and the religious ideology of freeing Al Aqsa and as a human shield to be used cynically?

So why to blame Israel for all the problems in Gaza but close eyes to what Hamas, the ones who supported to protect them, do? What they do to defend them? Their own people?

And no, killing innocent Israeli civilians in psychotic ways is not defending, it's out of nowhere attacking. Attacking and consciously knowing that Israel will attack back.

Attacking from Gaza, from a place of pure hatred for Jews and the will to eliminate them, from a place of radical delusional Islamic views, and not because they are occupied or repressed as the attack came from the non occupied territory.

And no, lunching rockets on Israeli children and innocent population is not defending themselves, it's a terror and war crime. War should be between soldiers. The soldiers in Israel would rather die in defending their people than using them as shields. It's not something that can be said about Hamas. 

 

 

[Lila9]

Israel has the right to have its own safe place, especially the place that its people historically rooted in for thousands of years. 

No terror is justified against Jews or Israel. Terror is never justified.